The scrollbars are an agreed questionable improvement at best. The reason for their implementation was trying to squeeze more screenspace out of the browser. I have questioned this decision myself and it might change in a future update. As for the rest I would like to provide a few rebuttals.
Lemon Juice wrote: > 1. Trying to enable the bookmarks toolbar results in an empty toolbar > that doesn't seem to work - no bookmarks show up and no way to add > anything there. The bookmarktoolbar is not broken. The bar appears but the bookmarktoolbar button located in the customization option simply need to be moved back to the bar. It was removed before the bookmarktoolbar button takes care of that. Anyone able to customize the interface will be sure to look there. > > 2. There is also an option to add Navigation Toolbar, which adds a > half-toolbar high horizontal empty space under the location bar - > weird and apparently has no use. The navigation toolbar simply needs to be filled with elements, since the elements originally there were moved to the menubar. Moving elements back to the navigation bar is a simple drag and drop. > > 3. I tried to enable the main top menu bar (I suppose some users might > want this kind of customization) - there is no UI option for that, I > have to disable the Tiny Menu extension and further tinker with the > toolbars to get it back to the top. Pretty difficult to do. In default SeaMonkey there is no option to 'uncheck' and or hide the menubar menus, the tinymenu addon does that instead. Removing or disabling the tinymenu addon restores the menubar menus. Perhaps I wrongly assume anyone able or willing to customize the user interface would also check the addons section. Maybe I should reconsider this line of thought. > > 4. When in full screen mode a user style hides the top elements, which > is fine, however when I move the mouse to the top, the location bar > shows up but does not go away when I move the mouse away - I have to > toggle full screen off and on again to hide it. Also, the tabs don't > show when I move to the top - how do I switch tabs? Oh, there are tabs > when I move the mouse to the bottom of the screen! It's nice but very > difficult to figure out this hidden and inconsistent behaviour. > When in full screenmode in default seamonkey not all elements are hidden, the userstyle is an attempt to correct that. Disabling it in styler would correct the issue, perhaps a better implementation of it is in order. I think setting the option in tinymenu to show the menu in fullscreen mode might correct this but not sure. It wasn't enabled by default so the user could enjoy fullscreen mode with no elements left over. That option enabled might be a solution. > 5. There is an installed (but disabled) user style "SeaMonkey Tabs on > Top". When I enabled it then in full screen I was not able to see the > tabs at all - even at the bottom of the screen. Perhaps that is true, but this one sounds a bit like trying to find a problem with a userstyle that most likely wouldn't be an issue for the average user. The tabs on top userstyle was left in there for those that desire that position. Disabling styler all together would put most things back to normal with the exception of tinymenu which would also need to be disabled. As a final note, if I'm going to have to explain or justify each and every decision made when trying to use SeaMonkey as the default browser in a distribution that has a substantial amount of users and put it back in the limelight, then maybe I should reconsider that decision as well. To be perfectly frank, outside old school technically inclined users (which i am as well) the browser doesn't get used by default because of its dated look and lack of features. Midori and Qupzilla get more play and its simply because they look modern. Sure they don't have the plugins yet but that doesn't matter, they are still adopted more often than Seamonkey. Palemoon is also getting substantial users because of the same reason, in fact even more so because more plugins are supported than SeaMonkey. I wanted to boost SeaMonkey interest and give it a platform to be showcased. I did plenty of research about most people gripes about the browser. Whether superficial or not, looks, and some relatively mundain features that were missing was the biggest gripes. It certainly seems like I'm making an effort, including bringing developers back to the suite, actually paying them as well for their work and giving what I think is the best possible chance to stay on the machine after install. If this is not the goal of the users here for their beloved browser, then next release the effort won't be made. I simply don't need all the grief, if you don't like they way I did it for the distribution. Then don't use the distribution. As far as I'm aware no other distribution even close to our popularity has even attempted to give it any thought. Here I thought I was doing something relatively noble. Apparently that is not something endeared here on the SeaMonkey mailing list. Constructive criticism is one thing. Battling 8 or more different users on here over every little decision is a level of pretentiousness I haven't encountered in a long time. I would have thought that perhaps some excitement was in order, apparently not. _______________________________________________ support-seamonkey mailing list [email protected] https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
