On 2015-04-11 04:35, Ronnie wrote:
Sorry Lemon Juice, you reply was the most comprehensive of the day. The
reply was to this thread/post/email in general. It has been an entire
day of rebuttals on every little thing that was done. This isn't
necessarily directed right at you. I should have pointed that out in the
reply. My apologies
There are a couple things I will and want to change and a number of your
points were something to consider from a users stand point. SeaMonkey by
default looks like its straight from 1996 and thats a problem since that
is about 20 years ago. Trying to remedy some of the issues isn't
flawless but as you stated and I agree this is the first
attempt/implementation of it in LXLE. Improvements and adjustments will
be needed and added in future versions.
Okay, no problem. Because of the dated look SeaMonkey is attracting a
minority of users who happen to like the dated look and are opposed to
making it different so I think this is why people here are not
enthusiastic about these changes. We are the minority here, we are the
dinosaurs! So I think you shouldn't base your direction or assessment of
your version of SM based on opinions here because your audience is very
much different from audience here. As I said I am pleased that you are
promoting SeaMonkey and I think it can grow while providing different
customizable interfaces to different people based on what they want.
Personally, I like the current SM interface and while I agree it looks
dated for me the major problem is the outer looks only, which can be
easily addressed with a theme. I know the current trend for making
modern interfaces is hiding stuff behind icons, removing them from the
main view or removing altogether in order to squeeze any piece of real
screen estate. And that's fine. But what I find most productive is a
traditional menu where I can easily find any option I want with the
added ability to place icons for the most frequently used ones. Yes, I
am a dinosaur myself!
As to LXLE - I stumbled upon one more problem, which is about the single
button for stop and reload. I navigated to a youtube page and started
watching a video, then in another tab did something different and chose
youtube options to use the html5 player. I got back to the video tab and
wasn't able to reload the page because apparently the page never
finished loading and all I got was the spinning circle on the button and
it didn't change to the reload icon no matter how I tried. This wouldn't
be a problem if I had a separate reload button.
This could be hard to get right because as far as I remember SM has
always displayed this behaviour in certain circumstances - I don't know
exactly what conditions must be met for this to occur but possibly a
specific combination of scripts and network contention. SM seems to be
loading the page forever, the throbber spins all the time even though
nothing appears to be loading any more and pressing stop doesn't stop
it. This could be related to a bug that can occur in Mail, too - when
there is a connection problem to a mail server it is not possible to
stop it before it times out by itself. So there is an underlying problem
causing the combined stop & reload to fail sometimes. The best solution
would be to fix this bug in SM but if that's hard then I think it would
also be possible to use an extension so that it will change the button
to reload on pressing, even if technically SM still is loading something
behind the scenes - I think a user style might be not enough for this.
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