> On Feb 2, 2017, at 2:44 PM, Nevin Brackett-Rozinsky via swift-evolution 
> <swift-evolution@swift.org> wrote:
> 
> Where do you propose to hold and publicize such a vote in order that the 
> people who would participate on a forum but not on a mailing list—ie. those 
> for whom the switch will be most beneficial—are enfranchised?

The traditional method on a list like this is +1 or -1 in response to a given 
thread. (Note that I’m not calling for such a vote, as I have nothing to 
propose). A perhaps more modern approach would be to give a link to an external 
site that would run the vote/poll.

As to your question of how to reach an audience larger than what we have now 
for a vote, I don’t see any obvious solution: the current community is what it 
is. And I would argue that the current community has invested the most time 
into the project (and likely will going forward) and should have the largest 
vote for how project communication should be facilitated. I wouldn’t advocate 
for advertising far and wide over the internet “how should the swift-evolution 
community communicate?”, as this would be a vote of the internet, and not of 
the swift-evolution community. I do admit you could argue the community may 
have already self-selected to some degree based on the current method of 
commutation; I see no real solution to that apart from continued advocacy from 
people such as you who are speaking up to bring awareness about the issues you 
feel are keeping outsiders from participating.

James


> 
> Nevin
> 
> On Thursday, February 2, 2017, James Berry <jbe...@rogueorbit.com 
> <mailto:jbe...@rogueorbit.com>> wrote:
> 
> > On Feb 2, 2017, at 1:45 PM, Dave Abrahams via swift-evolution 
> > <swift-evolution@swift.org <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> >> On Feb 2, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Karl Wagner <razie...@gmail.com 
> >> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>
> >> somebody build a parallel site to support the style of open community 
> >> which the core-team seem unwilling/unable to do.
> >
> > I don't think this is fair. We may not be moving as quickly as you'd like 
> > but we are looking into it.
> 
> I would encourage everybody to remember that though there have been a vocal 
> few advocating for something other than a mailing list, the question has 
> never really been put to the community for a vote. I think it’s important to 
> remember that while some people on list may be very vocal in advocating for a 
> position, that doesn’t mean the majority of community members agree. At the 
> least, such a matter should be put to a vote or poll once leading options 
> have been identified.
> 
> Speaking for myself only, discourse seems to give me little of value, while 
> it would plaster emails with html-laden buttons, etc, thus making my favored 
> experience worse than it is today. I’m fairly happy with using a gmail 
> account and server-side filters to file my swift-evolution mails into a 
> mailbox that I can then read on or offline with the threaded email client of 
> my choice.
> 
> James
> 
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