hi lukas i had in the past already 3 phonecalls (according to 3 different spammings) with mr. vontobel and mr. schrem. they always apologies and told me about the cool opt-out function. they merged their email-spamming-list with the twixtel (not even an old version) and they cannot track back where is the entry coming from. so they not even can remove all twix entries... i gave him (becaused i discussed this on the phone) the contact of the 'datenschutz' beauftragter of the canton ZH. he wanted to clearify the situation of spamming and the source of the adresse with him.
backbone lied 3 times to me. i dont believe them anymore. thats a fact. just my 2 cents -steven On Tuesday 30 March 2004 13.47, Lukas Krattiger wrote: > I just talked to Matthias Schrem from Backbone > He does really apologies for the inconvenience of spamming (backbone and > providerliste). > Their opt-out function should work as well as the abuse-desk. > > Mybe we should give them a chance ? > > Cheers > -Lukas > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Fredy Kuenzler > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 1:40 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [swinog] Backbone Solutions is spamming again. > > Daniel Lorch wrote: > >> I'm interested in why de-peering is seen as an appropriate response > >> to the spamming issue. What is the desired result? What relief does > >> this bring to the victims of the spam? Or is this only used as a way > >> to censure the offending network? > >> > >> Help me determine why I should de-peer with AS13250. ;-) > > > > Maybe because that makes them pay for their spamming traffic? Or maybe > > because there is nothing else you could do? :) > > Just to show them that you do not agree with their business practice. > > 1. they sell ADSL and call it leased lines. Doing this is commonly called > "unlauterer Wettbewerb" (unfair competition) 2. they advertise again and > again with UCE > > I believe that there should be certain ethics in telecommunications > business, and I don't see them in their behaviour right know. Black sheeps > do harm to the whole telecommunications industry. I hope this is common > sense within SwiNOG. > > Since you don't really loose anything with de-peering them, I suggest to do > it and show them your "gratitude". If all of us do so, they might finally > reconsider there business practice. > > Of course there is no relief for the victims of the spam, and I wouldn't > consider to shutdown peering to an ISP because of a spamming customer. > But in this case, it's not a customer, rather it's the ISP itself, which > should have known better. > > F. > ---------------------------------------------- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/ > > > ---------------------------------------------- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/ -- __________________________________________________________ Steven Glogger Technical Manager / Software Development Altrax AG Phone +41 1 256 81 11 Z�hringerstrasse 24 Fax +41 1 256 81 12 8001 Z�rich mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.altrax.com __________________________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
