Am 22.01.2015 um 14:52 schrieb Sergey B Kirpichev:
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 11:58:42AM -0700, Ondřej Čertík wrote:
Really the only unwritten rule that we have in the sympy community is
to be friendly, welcoming and polite.
And you personally decide what that means...
Ah, so you have an idea who else should decide?
Also, I am honestly really
surprised and sad that anyone would like to negotiate such elementary
principles of human interaction.
Again, I'm not against friendly and welcoming communication. But I see
that this is just a tool. Target is - constructive and productive conversation.
Well, you failed miserably in that when communicating with me.
The problem is that most people don't complain.
For example, I'm. Despite some questionable sentences from the
author of this thread during the conversation in the PR.
Oh. So your consistent quoting out of context, misinterpreting and
finally censoring me was unquestionable?
That seems highly biased to me.
Imagine, there are better things in the world than fill complaints...
Indeed.
Sadly, blatant power abuse allows little choice.
However, if you decide in the future that you would like to come back,
you are always welcome.
I don't think it's possible. I explained why in my previous
message. And I'm very sceptical about possible changes in the
project policy.
I'm just as sceptical, but I do not think that it's the project policy
that needs to be changed. (Oh well right, some things could be improved,
as it is always.)
As to "talk is cheap, show me the code", I removed it long time ago
from the wiki.
Mar 2014. I can guess why you did this.
You don't need to guess, he said why: Because it is too easily
misunderstood.
I'm with him with that. It's too easily misunderstood by those who read
it, and it's also too easily misused as ammunition by those who use it.
I still love it, after all these years, I think it
captures the essence of it --- and I love short sentences like this
that bluntly capture the reality.
You know what it means, I know, everyone here knows.
He wasn't about what it means.
He was about what effects it causes.
And that in the end, the unwanted effects outweighed the wanted ones and
they decided to take the sentence out.
> No need for additional "talks" about this.
Dunno what's behind that one; are you thinking that the "talk is cheap"
quote meant you or the current situation?
I do not think it is, I read that as giving an example how the meaning
of a message can diverge from how it affects people.
The point being that much of your talk might suffer from a simlar
effect: You mean well but come over as so rude that people feel offended.
(My personal opinion is slightly divergent, I'm just trying to interpret
his words as faithfully as I can.)
Ondrej, thank you for your reply. My message wasn't an invitation for a
discussion here, I'm only trying to explain why I did what I did. Let's stop.
Arguing does not stop a discussion, it's an invitation for more discussion.
And you argue at length how you're being treated unfairly.
Arguing is fair enough.
Asking to stop after putting out a lot of controversal claims isn't fair
enough, it's an attempt at having the final word, and nothing that
should be granted to anybody.
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