@Peter, Same here in Canada. No one calls a substation a kiosk here On Thu, Apr 26, 2018, 6:16 AM Peter Elderson, <[email protected]> wrote:
> Looks like it's australian, to call a power substation a power kiosk. It > converts the high voltage to low voltage and distributes power to > households. Just 'kiosk' is confusing to me. > Dutch: kiosk=small selling booth for small articles e.g. newspapers, > sweets, drinks. Mainly found on railway stations. > > 2018-04-26 11:56 GMT+02:00 John Sturdy <[email protected]>: > >> To me, as a native British-English speaker, "kiosk" doesn't seem to be >> the right word for these. A kiosk is normally something that *is* large >> enough for a person to enter (typically, someone selling something through >> a hatch). >> >> __John >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 8:53 PM, José G Moya Y. <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> It was François Lacombe on this list 9n Jan 2, 2018. >>> El mié., 3 de enero de 2018 0:14, François Lacombe < >>> [email protected]> escribió: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Regarding this location=kiosk topic, a discussion was opened on talk >>> page of power=substation key. >>> >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Kiosk_substations_in_street_cabinets >>> >>> Since no big issue has been raised, I've updated mentionned wiki pages >>> (with French version when available) with man_made=street_cabinet. >>> >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dtransformer#Location_values >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:location >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:substation%3Dminor_distribution >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Location >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstreet_cabinet >>> >>> location=kiosk is not a recommended value anymore and it's encouraged to >>> replace it manually and carefully with man_made=street_cabinet + >>> street_cabinet=power >>> >>> location key can now be used everytime to give the right >>> substation/transformer's location, in cabinet or not. >>> We can have underground or indoor cabinets like this : >>> man_made=street_cabinet >>> street_cabinet=power >>> power=substation >>> substation=minor_distribution >>> location=underground or indoor or ... >>> >>> All the best >>> >>> François >>> >>> 2017-11-04 11:45 GMT+01:00 François Lacombe <[email protected]>: >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> The man_made=street_cabinet key sounds suitable to map items described >>> with power=substation + location=kiosk. >>> They are actual small cabinets like those where no technician can enter >>> to work (opposite of building) : >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:10kV_trafo_kiosk.jpg >>> >>> Street cabinet is the container while substation is the function. >>> >>> Wiki example on this page gives follwing tags: >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Examples >>> power=substation >>> substation=minor_distribution >>> location=kiosk >>> >>> I propose to update it as such : >>> man_made=street_cabinet >>> street_cabinet=power >>> power=substation >>> substation=minor_distribution >>> location=pavement (or wherever the cabinet is located) >>> >>> It works both for nodes or areas. >>> Additionnal advantage is to get location=* back to give cabinet position >>> instead of substation design (there was issues to tag underground kiosks >>> for instance) >>> There are 7k objects in db: >>> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/location=kiosk >>> >>> Pages to update are : >>> >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dtransformer#Location_values >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:location >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:substation%3Dminor_distribution >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Location >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstreet_cabinet >>> >>> How do you feel about it ? >>> >>> There are no need of a time consuming formal proposal to deal with this >>> question. >>> Without further coments, i will update wiki pages in 15 days. >>> No automated edits. >>> >>> Thanks for your time >>> >>> François >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tagging mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >>> >>> >>> El mié., 25 de abril de 2018 21:32, Michael Reichert < >>> [email protected]> escribió: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> while adding a substation to OSM yesterday I looked up the possible >>>> values of location=* and missed kiosk. A short glance in the history >>>> showes that it removed location=kiosk from the page on 2018-01-02. The >>>> edit description mentions man_made=street_cabinet+street_cabinet=power >>>> as a replacement. >>>> >>>> >>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:power%3Dsubstation&oldid=1542685 >>>> >>>> location=kiosk was introduced by the approved Substation Refinement >>>> Proposal in 2013. >>>> >>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Substation_refinement#Substation >>>> >>>> man_made=street_cabinet was introduced by the Street Cabinet Proposal in >>>> 2014. >>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Street_cabinet >>>> This proposal does not mention substations or transformers at all. >>>> >>>> I think that small substations are not street cabinets because they are >>>> much larger than street cabinets and are usually not located on the >>>> sidewalk but next to it on a separate area. >>>> >>>> I don't remember a discussion of this change, do you? If no, I propose >>>> to revert this change on the wiki. >>>> >>>> Best regards >>>> >>>> Michael >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Per E-Mail kommuniziere ich bevorzugt GPG-verschlüsselt. (Mailinglisten >>>> ausgenommen) >>>> I prefer GPG encryption of emails. (does not apply on mailing lists) >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Tagging mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tagging mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> >> > > > -- > Vr gr Peter Elderson > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >
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