if the "cabinet" is large enough for a person to enter, it's better to use building=* a cabinet only host hardware, it isn't git enought to allow a person to enter. in both case location=kiosk is imho wrong.
Le 26. 04. 18 à 12:14, Peter Elderson a écrit : > Looks like it's australian, to call a power substation a power kiosk. It > converts the high voltage to low voltage and distributes power to > households. Just 'kiosk' is confusing to me. > Dutch: kiosk=small selling booth for small articles e.g. newspapers, > sweets, drinks. Mainly found on railway stations. > > 2018-04-26 11:56 GMT+02:00 John Sturdy <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>>: > > To me, as a native British-English speaker, "kiosk" doesn't seem to > be the right word for these. A kiosk is normally something that > *is* large enough for a person to enter (typically, someone selling > something through a hatch). > > __John > > > On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 8:53 PM, José G Moya Y. <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > It was François Lacombe on this list 9n Jan 2, 2018. > El mié., 3 de enero de 2018 0:14, François Lacombe > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > escribió: > > Hi, > > Regarding this location=kiosk topic, a discussion was opened > on talk page of power=substation key. > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Kiosk_substations_in_street_cabinets > > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Kiosk_substations_in_street_cabinets> > > Since no big issue has been raised, I've updated mentionned > wiki pages (with French version when available) with > man_made=street_cabinet. > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dtransformer#Location_values > > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dtransformer#Location_values> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:location > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:location> > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:substation%3Dminor_distribution > > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:substation%3Dminor_distribution> > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Location > > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Location> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstreet_cabinet > > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstreet_cabinet> > > location=kiosk is not a recommended value anymore and it's > encouraged to replace it manually and carefully with > man_made=street_cabinet + street_cabinet=power > > location key can now be used everytime to give the right > substation/transformer's location, in cabinet or not. > We can have underground or indoor cabinets like this : > man_made=street_cabinet > street_cabinet=power > power=substation > substation=minor_distribution > location=underground or indoor or ... > > All the best > > François > > 2017-11-04 11:45 GMT+01:00 François Lacombe > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>: > > Hi > > The man_made=street_cabinet key sounds suitable to map > items described with power=substation + location=kiosk. > They are actual small cabinets like those where no > technician can enter to work (opposite of building) : > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:10kV_trafo_kiosk.jpg > > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:10kV_trafo_kiosk.jpg> > > Street cabinet is the container while substation is the > function. > > Wiki example on this page gives follwing tags: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Examples > > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Examples> > power=substation > substation=minor_distribution > location=kiosk > > I propose to update it as such : > man_made=street_cabinet > street_cabinet=power > power=substation > substation=minor_distribution > location=pavement (or wherever the cabinet is located) > > It works both for nodes or areas. > Additionnal advantage is to get location=* back to give > cabinet position instead of substation design (there was > issues to tag underground kiosks for instance) > There are 7k objects in db: > https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/location=kiosk > <https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/location=kiosk> > > Pages to update are : > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dtransformer#Location_values > > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dtransformer#Location_values> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:location > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:location> > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:substation%3Dminor_distribution > > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:substation%3Dminor_distribution> > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Location > > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Location> > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstreet_cabinet > > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstreet_cabinet> > > How do you feel about it ? > > There are no need of a time consuming formal proposal to > deal with this question. > Without further coments, i will update wiki pages in 15 > days. > No automated edits. > > Thanks for your time > > François > > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging> > > > El mié., 25 de abril de 2018 21:32, Michael Reichert > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> escribió: > > Hi, > > while adding a substation to OSM yesterday I looked up the > possible > values of location=* and missed kiosk. A short glance in the > history > showes that it removed location=kiosk from the page on > 2018-01-02. The > edit description mentions > man_made=street_cabinet+street_cabinet=power > as a replacement. > > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:power%3Dsubstation&oldid=1542685 > > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:power%3Dsubstation&oldid=1542685> > > location=kiosk was introduced by the approved Substation > Refinement > Proposal in 2013. > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Substation_refinement#Substation > > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Substation_refinement#Substation> > > man_made=street_cabinet was introduced by the Street Cabinet > Proposal in > 2014. > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Street_cabinet > > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Street_cabinet> > This proposal does not mention substations or transformers > at all. > > I think that small substations are not street cabinets > because they are > much larger than street cabinets and are usually not located > on the > sidewalk but next to it on a separate area. > > I don't remember a discussion of this change, do you? If no, > I propose > to revert this change on the wiki. > > Best regards > > Michael > > > -- > Per E-Mail kommuniziere ich bevorzugt GPG-verschlüsselt. > (Mailinglisten > ausgenommen) > I prefer GPG encryption of emails. (does not apply on > mailing lists) > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging> > > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging> > > > > > -- > Vr gr Peter Elderson > > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
