@Peter, Same here in Canada. No one calls a substation a kiosk here
On Thu, Apr 26, 2018, 6:16 AM Peter Elderson, <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Looks like it's australian, to call a power substation a power
kiosk. It converts the high voltage to low voltage and
distributes power to households. Just 'kiosk' is confusing to me.
Dutch: kiosk=small selling booth for small articles e.g.
newspapers, sweets, drinks. Mainly found on railway stations.
2018-04-26 11:56 GMT+02:00 John Sturdy <[email protected]
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To me, as a native British-English speaker, "kiosk" doesn't
seem to be the right word for these. A kiosk is normally
something that *is* large enough for a person to enter
(typically, someone selling something through a hatch).
__John
On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 8:53 PM, José G Moya Y.
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
It was François Lacombe on this list 9n Jan 2, 2018.
El mié., 3 de enero de 2018 0:14, François Lacombe
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> escribió:
Hi,
Regarding this location=kiosk topic, a discussion was
opened on talk page of power=substation key.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Kiosk_substations_in_street_cabinets
Since no big issue has been raised, I've updated
mentionned wiki pages (with French version when
available) with man_made=street_cabinet.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dtransformer#Location_values
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:location
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:substation%3Dminor_distribution
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Location
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstreet_cabinet
location=kiosk is not a recommended value anymore and
it's encouraged to replace it manually and carefully
with man_made=street_cabinet + street_cabinet=power
location key can now be used everytime to give the
right substation/transformer's location, in cabinet
or not.
We can have underground or indoor cabinets like this :
man_made=street_cabinet
street_cabinet=power
power=substation
substation=minor_distribution
location=underground or indoor or ...
All the best
François
2017-11-04 11:45 GMT+01:00 François Lacombe
<[email protected]
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Hi
The man_made=street_cabinet key sounds suitable
to map items described with power=substation +
location=kiosk.
They are actual small cabinets like those where
no technician can enter to work (opposite of
building) :
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:10kV_trafo_kiosk.jpg
Street cabinet is the container while substation
is the function.
Wiki example on this page gives follwing tags:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Examples
power=substation
substation=minor_distribution
location=kiosk
I propose to update it as such :
man_made=street_cabinet
street_cabinet=power
power=substation
substation=minor_distribution
location=pavement (or wherever the cabinet is
located)
It works both for nodes or areas.
Additionnal advantage is to get location=* back
to give cabinet position instead of substation
design (there was issues to tag underground
kiosks for instance)
There are 7k objects in db:
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/location=kiosk
Pages to update are :
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dtransformer#Location_values
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:location
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:substation%3Dminor_distribution
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Location
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstreet_cabinet
How do you feel about it ?
There are no need of a time consuming formal
proposal to deal with this question.
Without further coments, i will update wiki pages
in 15 days.
No automated edits.
Thanks for your time
François
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El mié., 25 de abril de 2018 21:32, Michael Reichert
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escribió:
Hi,
while adding a substation to OSM yesterday I looked
up the possible
values of location=* and missed kiosk. A short glance
in the history
showes that it removed location=kiosk from the page
on 2018-01-02. The
edit description mentions
man_made=street_cabinet+street_cabinet=power
as a replacement.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:power%3Dsubstation&oldid=1542685
location=kiosk was introduced by the approved
Substation Refinement
Proposal in 2013.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Substation_refinement#Substation
man_made=street_cabinet was introduced by the Street
Cabinet Proposal in
2014.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Street_cabinet
This proposal does not mention substations or
transformers at all.
I think that small substations are not street
cabinets because they are
much larger than street cabinets and are usually not
located on the
sidewalk but next to it on a separate area.
I don't remember a discussion of this change, do you?
If no, I propose
to revert this change on the wiki.
Best regards
Michael
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