Hi Tony

Advice from Vic Police has only been verbal. They won’t go into writing. 
I verified this with a friend of mine who is a cop. 

They referred me to the penalties listed on the Vic Roads websites that carries 
a $545 fine for riding on a footpath. 
This information is freely available. 



> On 3 Oct 2021, at 2:58 pm, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote:
> Hi Sebastian
> Welcome to talk-au
> ____________________________________________________________
> A NOTE FOR NON-AUSTRALIANS reading this
> a UK pavement or a US sidewalk is an Australian footpath
> ____________________________________________________________
> 
> 
> I agree with Graeme Fitzpatrick's opinion that blanket bicycle=no on *all* 
> footpaths is wrong.
> 
> In addition there is Karl Cheng's opinion (Mon Sep 20 talk-au) that "this 
> whole "Road Rules" regulation only applies to "roads" and "road related 
> areas".
> Only footpaths adjacent to a "road", or any path explicitly designated for
> cyclists are considered to be "road related areas". See rules 11-13 of the 
> Road Rules for details."
> 
> Thirdly there is the issue of ground truth 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_practice#Map_what.27s_on_the_ground
> "Don't map your local legislation, if not bound to objects in reality
> Things such as local traffic rules should only be mapped when there are 
> objects which represent these rules on the ground, e.g. a traffic sign, road 
> surface marking. Other rules that can not be seen in some way should not be 
> mapped, as they are not universally verifiable." I note that if they changed 
> the legislation, we would have to find and edit maybe a million ways.
> 
> Fourthly (as Graeme Fitzpatrick also notes) you say "Members of the community 
> have even sought confirmation of permissions from Vic police who have 
> confirmed to the affirmative that unless a path is specifically signed to be 
> used by a cyclist, then cyclists are not permitted to use it from a legal 
> perspective."
> You have been asked before but not answered the question, is this verbal or 
> written advice, if written, can you give a URL?
> 
> Thanks
> Tony
> 
>> Hi there,
>> 
>> I?m starting a new thread in relation to recent discussion regarding  access 
>> on footpaths which have bicycle=No
>> 
>> In the Melbourne Bikepath cycling community there has been vigorous  
>> discussion relating to the strict rules the cyclists must follow and  not 
>> ride on footpaths due to Victorian Road Rules. Victorian  cyclists know that 
>> we are not permitted to ride of footpaths.
>> Members of the community have even sought confirmation of  permissions from 
>> Vic police who have confirmed to the affirmative  that unless a path is 
>> specifically signed to be used by a cyclist,  then cyclists are not 
>> permitted to use it from a legal perspective.
>> 
>> In my view, some of the data in OSM is incorrect as a footpath will  some 
>> times have permission bicycle=yes which is incorrect. The  majority of the 
>> time allowed access will have bicycle=unspecified  (not defined)which I 
>> think is fine.
>> The issue is that cycling software, apps and gps units used by  cyclist 
>> takes information from OSM and then creates a route based on  the permission 
>> assigned to the road/path in OSM.
>> 
>> I?d be keen to hear from other Victorian cyclists in the OSM  community on 
>> the best way to tag paths so that they do not allow  cyclists.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> regards,
>> Sebastian

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