Hi, I am sending a discussion we (me and IanHaylock) had before with Mike Collinson (no talk-ph at that time) on tagging Barangays this in the context of when we are planning to import the GNS data.
For your comments ======= Thanks for all the input. Here is a modified version of the script with PPL mapping to village not town. As is, it also reads the entire rp.txt file but only outputs DCG=ADM2 POIs. The resulting file, also attached is exactly the same as the one you sent me but has an addition 'is_in:state=' tag. I am very keen to get lots of 'is_in' tags into the OSM database as it will make future searching much easier. For example, if there is a critical mass of entries for Aurora Province spread across the province, it will be possible to work out the approximate bounds of the province and limit searches there. That removes the need to have exact boundary data. Do upload it if you think it is ready. On the issue of PPL = village or barangay or locality, these are my thoughts. I suggest we definitely do not use 'locality', that is really meant for place names that do not coincide with any (current) population centre. place=village Plus: Works worldwide. Minus: Not strictly valid in a Philippine context. place=barangay We'd need to get the OSMarender and Mapnik guys to add a render rule for this. We could also ask for it to be added as a Map Features value, but that is not strictly necessary. I'd guess the easiest request would be to say, "please render this exactly the same as place=village"? If I was explaining what Barangay means, does this sound right? :- place=barangay is specifically for Philippine use, though may be applicable in other parts of the world like South America. At an administrative level, a Province (= a state) is divided into muncipalities. Each municipality is controlled by a local council and has a mayor. A municipality is split into barangays[1], headed by Barangay captains. In rural areas, these equate to villages. In urban areas, these equate to suburbs often highly distinguishable on the basis of social class. A rural muncipality, e.g. Donsol[2], may therefore have a town, Donsol, split into 3 or 4 barangays and then to It is important to mark them on OSM maps because they are used extensively in every day navigation, information, politics etc. They almost invariable equate to an obvious population centre (unlike European wards). Street signs often show which barangay they are in. Jeepneys and buses often show a barangays as destinations. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barangay [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donsol ============== On 11/22/08, Eugene Alvin Villar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Zoren, > > On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:12 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> > There's no discussion yet regarding barangays. I prefer leaving out >> > the "Barangay" part of the name (unless it's numeric like "Barangay >> > 30"). >> >> I was just about to send a second mail about that, as I realized that at >> certain zoom levels you can hardly see the map anymore because of all the >> Brgy. names, or hardly see certain Brgy names because of the other Brgy >> names ;). >> I guess the Brgy concept is a special Pinoy one. This is why the renderes >> are not designed for such a high density of area names (especially with >> regard to font sizes) . To ease this problem I highly endorse Seav's >> suggestion to omit redundant words "Barangay", "Brgy."(anyway for being an >> abbreviation), "Village", "Subdivision"etc...; unless it is really part of >> the name as in "Barangay 30". >> We should even make this a general national convention for OSM >> > > Regarding this, do not be too conscious of the rendering problems. Try not > to "fix" the data just so it would render pretty. The important thing is to > do the data right and just leave the renderers (Mapnik, Osmarender, etc.) to > decide how to best present the data. > > Eugene / seav > > -- > http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com > -- |---------|----------------------------------------------------------| | __.-._ |"Ohhh. Great warrior. Wars not make one great." -Yoda | | '-._"7' |"Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden| | /'.-c |Linux registered user #402901, http://counter.li.org/ | | | /T |http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ | | _)_/L I http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ | |---------|----------------------------------------------------------| _______________________________________________ talk-ph mailing list [email protected] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
