Please see parallel discussion on the talk list: http://www.nabble.com/Rendering-barangays-for-the-Philippines-td20657176.html
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Ian Haylock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > But barangays are not exactly villages, which is unlike Philippine > municipalities that are acknowledged equivalent to towns. > > The Place= tag is used to denote the population size of a place, not whether > a place is actually a city, town, village etc. > > So someone listing all the world's "villages" would get inaccurate data. > Besides, I personally find very little use for a list of all the world's > villages for whatever analysis that list would be needed for, unlike say, a > list of all cities. > > That was a "Hypothetical" example. > > A non Hypothetical example (though not country specific) would be the change > from highway=gate to barrier=gate. Previously navigation S/W only had to > search for highway=gate to find roads to ignore. Now it has to search for > both, twice as much work for the same result. > > (Hmmm, maybe the "place=x" tags should also be accompanied with the > "admin_level=n" tags especially if the place matches the admin_level? Seems > like a good idea, don't you think?) > > Now that gets a +1 from me :-) > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 10:04 PM, Ian Haylock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Sorry, >> >> -1 from me. >> >> I think using country specific tags like "barangay" will cause problems >> with people who use the data. >> >> As a hypothetical example, suppose someone wanted to list all the villages >> in the osm database. If all the different countries used a different name >> for village, such a simple task would become a pain in the A**. >> >> Cheers, Ian >> >> --- On Mon, 24/11/08, maning sambale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> From: maning sambale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Various >> To: "Eugene Alvin Villar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Cc: [email protected] >> Date: Monday, 24 November, 2008, 8:58 AM >> >> +1 for me. That would be fairly easy for me to >> change the >> place=village to place=barangay. But only for the ones I added. If >> others would allow me to do so for them, I'll do it. >> >> What about the others? Any opinion on this? >> >> cheers, >> maning >> >> >> On 11/24/08, Eugene Alvin Villar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Ok then. I'm all for tagging barangay center nodes with >> place=barangay. We >> > can just ask the renderers to place a special code to render >> >> place=barangay >> > same as place=village. >> > >> > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 4:29 PM, maning sambale >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: >> >> > >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> I am sending a discussion we (me and IanHaylock) had before with Mike >> >> Collinson (no talk-ph at that time) on tagging Barangays this in the >> >> context of when we are planning to import the GNS data. >> >> >> >> >> For your comments >> >> ======= >> >> Thanks for all the >> input. Here is a modified version of the script >> >> with PPL mapping to village not town. As is, it also reads the entire >> >> rp.txt file but only outputs DCG=ADM2 POIs. The resulting file, also >> >> attached is exactly the same as the one you sent me but has an >> >> >> addition 'is_in:state=' tag. I am very keen to get lots of >> 'is_in' >> >> tags into the OSM database as it will make future searching much >> >> easier. For example, if there is a critical >> mass of entries for >> >> >> Aurora Province spread across the province, it will be possible to >> >> work out the approximate bounds of the province and limit searches >> >> there. That removes the need to have exact boundary data. >> >> >> >> >> Do upload it if you think it is ready. >> >> >> >> On the issue of PPL = village or barangay or locality, these are my >> >> thoughts. >> >> >> >> I suggest >> we definitely do not use 'locality', that is really >> meant >> >> for place names that do not coincide with any (current) population >> >> centre. >> >> >> >> place=village >> >> >> >> >> Plus: Works worldwide. Minus: Not strictly valid in a Philippine >> context. >> >> >> >> place=barangay >> >> >> >> We'd need to get the OSMarender and Mapnik guys to add a render >> >> rule >> >> for this. We could also ask for it to >> be added as a Map Features >> >> value, but that is not strictly necessary. I'd guess the easiest >> >> request would be to say, "please render this exactly the same as >> >> >> place=village"? >> >> >> >> >> >> If I was explaining what Barangay means, does this sound right? :- >> >> >> >> place=barangay is specifically for Philippine use, though may be >> >> >> applicable in other parts of the world like South America. At >> an >> >> administrative level, a Province (= a state) is divided into >> >> muncipalities. Each municipality is controlled by a local council and >> >> has a mayor. A municipality is split into barangays[1], headed by >> >> >> Barangay captains. In rural areas, these equate to villages. In urban >> >> areas, these equate to suburbs often highly distinguishable on the >> >> basis of social class. A rural muncipality, e.g. Donsol[2], >> may >> >> >> therefore have a town, Donsol, split into 3 or 4 barangays and then to >> >> It is important to mark them on OSM maps because they are used >> >> extensively in every day navigation, information, politics etc. They >> >> >> almost invariable equate to an obvious population centre (unlike >> >> European wards). Street signs often show which barangay they are in. >> >> Jeepneys and buses often show a barangays as >> destinations. >> >> >> >> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barangay >> >> [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donsol >> >> >> ============== >> >> >> >> >> >> On 11/22/08, Eugene Alvin Villar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >> > Hi Zoren, >> >> > >> >> >> > On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:12 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > There's no discussion yet regarding barangays. I >> >> prefer leaving out >> >> >> > the "Barangay" part of the name (unless >> it's numeric like "Barangay >> >> >> > 30"). >> >> >> >> >> >> I was just about to send a second mail about that, as I >> >> realized that >> >> >> at >> >> >> certain zoom levels you can hardly see the map anymore >> because of all >> >> the >> >> >> Brgy. names, or hardly see certain Brgy >> names because of the >> other Brgy >> >> >> names ;). >> >> >> I guess the Brgy concept is a special Pinoy one. This is >> why >> the >> >> renderes >> >> >> are not designed for such a high density of area names >> >> (especially with >> >> >> regard to font sizes) . To ease this problem I highly >> endorse Seav's >> >> >> suggestion to omit redundant words "Barangay", >> "Brgy."(anyway for being >> >> >> an >> >> >> abbreviation), "Village", >> "Subdivision"etc...; unless it is really part >> >> of >> >> >> the name as in "Barangay 30". >> >> >> We should even make this a general national convention for >> >> OSM >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > Regarding this, do not be too conscious of the rendering >> problems. Try >> >> not >> >> > to "fix" the data just so it would render pretty. The >> >> important thing >> is >> >> to >> >> > do the data right and just leave the renderers (Mapnik, >> Osmarender, >> >> > >> etc.) >> >> to >> >> > decide how to best present the data. >> >> > >> >> > Eugene / seav >> >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> |---------|----------------------------------------------------------| >> >> >> | __.-._ |"Ohhh. Great warrior. 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