K this is a record. I was turned off by about the second line of this guy's message. I totally get being angry about accessibility or the lack thereof, but begging for signatures is like begging for charity. Neither one works very well, and getting angry with the people you're trying to get signatures/charity from isn't a good thing either. Also, IMO, (and it's probably only my opinion, and we know what those are like, but this is the crux of the entire accessibility fight), companies like this one and every other one ignore these sorts of petitions because, even if every single blind user were to call their bluff, we're not a big enough of their market to matter as far as sales or whatever. And in the case of the FS petition, we can all bitch and whine till we're out of breath, but the fact is that 90% of their clientel is government contracts. So they can pretty much do whatever, and the other AT companies will eventually go along or go out of business, and so there's no real insentive for FS to do anything positive. Note: I'm not a huge FS fan. At all. So I hope no one takes this as rooting for them.
And wow, DJ Patty, haven't heard from you in *ages. I was wondering what had happened to you. Good to see you're still around. Amanda -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dj Paddy Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 17:35 To: talk2 Subject: RE: The Talk2 List Fw: [access] WFA User Protest Guys just displaying understandable anger over loss of access. Barry -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brandon Hicks Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 8:45 PM To: talk2 Subject: Re: The Talk2 List Fw: [access] WFA User Protest Agreed. This message speaks of childish tantrums. Even the Freedom Scientific petition didn't get much over a thousand signatures, if even that. This one's not going to get much more. I thought about it until I got to about the third line of the message. Brandon Stephen Clower wrote: > So... he wants more signatures, but the only way he feels he can get > them is to insult everybody? I won't sign now simply because of the > author's attitude, despite his good intentions. > > Steve > > On 3/1/2010 2:12 PM, Onj wrote: >> I haven't seen a message on this list for months. Why not let the >> content of this message speak for itself? >> >> From: Neil Barnfather - TalkNav <[email protected]> >> on Monday, March 01, 2010 6:02 PM >> >>> A quick note to all of you who have, and those who as of yet have >>> not signed >>> the WFA user protest site. >>> >>> Before I start my message the link right here and now is >>> www.talknav.com/protest >>> >>> Firstly, a note to all of you who have signed, thank you, but I have >>> to at >>> this stage say that it is way too few who have made this effort. We are >>> nearing 700, yet for Vodafone to take this seriously we need thousands. >>> >>> To date we've not even got close to even the number of users of the >>> application signing, let alone additional support. >>> >>> Can I especially ask those of you who either work with or for the >>> organizations that supposedly represent us as blind folk, yes you >>> lot, those >>> of you at the RNIB, CNIB, AFB, NFB, etc, etc, you lot really have >>> made me >>> rather upset and irritated. >>> >>> To date I've posted two messages via each of your web-sites >>> informing you >>> all of our protest, has any one of you got back to me to ask for more >>> detail, have you mass mailed your members, have you lobbied in our >>> favour, >>> have you, no sir. Is this an outrage, is this a complete lack of >>> competence >>> when it comes to supporting those who you claim to represent? This >>> individual thinks so. So if you represent, or have a contact at your >>> local >>> blind organization please forward this message, we, or certainly I, >>> am very, >>> very disappointed in you all. >>> >>> As for those private individuals who have not yet signed, even if >>> you do not >>> own Access or a Symbian phone, your name should be on this list, the >>> list >>> says something about who we are and what we stand for as blind >>> folks, it >>> says that we will not lay down and be ignored whilst our tools to >>> freedom >>> and mobility are stolen from us. It says we have a voice and we are >>> prepared >>> to use it when necessary. >>> >>> This protest is about more than just Wayfinder Access, it is a >>> symbol, now >>> please, I urge you all, we need this link spreading, we need it >>> sharing, >>> Face Book pages, Twitter, those of you who produce pod casts, >>> mailing lists >>> etc, etc, if you believe in your freedom to mobility and your rights to >>> accessible products then make your mark. >>> >>> More than this, those you know need to say that they too are in >>> support of >>> our cause, so get your address book and forward this link, >>> personalize it >>> with a few lines of message, get the word out there. >>> >>> The protest site has a league table on it at the bottom of the public >>> signatures page, it's dynamic and countries move about on the list. >>> To date >>> we've only had a tiny portion of blind people around the world sign up. >>> Spread the word folks. >>> >>> www.talknav.com/protest >>> >>> This issue rests squarely in your hands, make a difference today... >>> >>> Regards. >>> >>> Neil Barnfather. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Access mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://wfusers.com/mailman/listinfo/access >>> >>> Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: >>> eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ >>> and >>> Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ >> >> >> >> >> Did you miss a message? 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