Hi Tom et al: This problem is going to be very dependent on several factors and some will experience it, others wont. For sure it can be caused by volatile memory destruction when the computer goes into sleep mode and comes back if your programs and, or, your operating system have put anything into that volatile memory. Then, as noted, there might be some problems related to drivers. In fact, if the driver puts stuff into volatile memory the same situation could occur and there are others. In my case it almost seemed like some of the scripts were getting mucked up since I only lost certain WindowEyes features after a sleep mode session but nothing else in any other program nor in the operating system nor my own projects that I was running having been developed in Visual Studio with automagic memory allocation and garbage collection were impacted - only WindowEyes which is not developed in Visual Studio indicating a potential diference in the way isolated and, or, dynamic memory is used. Like WindowEyes some drivers are not developed in Visual Studio and could be prone to these types of memory problems if not very careful. Now, I am just repeating what I have read about this problem and extrapolating the possibilities but I do know that if you are experiencing this problem that turning off sleep mode will help. You should be able to leave the other setting set to some time value since it appears only the sleep mode allows ram memory to get destroyed while the other setting holds the settings on disk for the eventual restart. If the WindowEyes, or driver or whatever are in volatile memory and it gets destroyed you can, or not, experience functionallity problems when you come back from sleep mode. You might have something, one feature, 10 features or no features in the volatile ram. There may be ways where the volatile ram is preserved by the programs themselves like WindowEyes or EdSharp or my own Financial Platform - don’t know. If you want to start understanding how this stuff works look up the words "Isolated Memory" and "Process Memory" as a starting point to learn the termonology and underlying concepts - gets a little complicated and I decided to just fix the problem and move on leaving the dirty work to AI Squared or the Scriptors who like dealing with such things and, or, folks who create programs and drivers used on their machines. Later and continued good luck: Rick USA
-----Original Message----- From: Tom Kingston [mailto:tom.kings...@charter.net] Sent: Monday, October 5, 2015 6:09 AM To: Rick Thomas <ofbgm...@mi.rr.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Sleep Mode Situation I put my system to sleep a couple times a day and have never had a problem. Tom On 10/5/2015 5:46 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote: > Hi Chip: This problem was resolved by setting the sleep setting to never. > I also set the turn off mode to never but I don’t think this is necessary. > I don’t know from drivers but reading the docs about this problem I found > that there is volatile ram that gets destroyed when the computer goes into > sleep mode and comes back and warnings were posted around the net about this > potential problem. > If there is anything in that ram then after a sleep session anything that is > in there related to WindowEyes or its scripts would be lost. > After turning sleep off these problems went away. > Could be the drivers, the volatile ram or nobodys fault but the fix worked > as projected. > Rick USA > -----Original Message----- > From: Chip Orange [mailto:chip.ora...@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2015 2:19 PM > To: 'Rick Thomas' <ofbgm...@mi.rr.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> > Subject: RE: Sleep Mode Situation > > Hi again rick, > > I did a quick google on Dell Optiplex windows sleep problem, and the very > top article in the list looks very promising, so I'll post it's link for you > below. If this isn't actually the solution, then I suggest the same google > query to you; it seems quite likely you may hit on the problem and its > solution: > > http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/desktop/f/3514/t/19331855 > > hth, > > Chip > > > ' > > -----Original Message----- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+chip.orange=gmail....@lists.window-eyes.com] > On Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 7:32 AM > To: 'Rick Thomas'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Subject: RE: Sleep Mode Situation > > Hi Again Rod: > Below article indicates that when the computer goes into sleep or hibernate > mode, still fuzzy on all this, that ram can be lost - sounds like something > that could cause the problems described in prior posts after a sleep > session. Think of WE loading something into ram memory, the machine goes to > sleep but ram is then lost along with the WE modules that were in them - > just a thought. > Anyway, here is the article and do you have any pointers so I can narrow my > search to something to take cautious action on. > Do you know which topic I should research on how to do so I dont screw up my > machine - a Dell Optiplex Windows 8.1 Desktop running the pro version of > Windows 8.1? > I have the standard logon form displayed so I have to login when I boot up > or after a sleep session as desired for security and the default automatic > enablement of the security settings when running programs that modify the > computer. > BeginArticle > 1. > Windows 8.1: Changes in Sleep Menu > > > > > > > > > The sleep and hibernation settings in Windows 8.1 offer a lot of options. > We'll look at the differences in sleep and hibernation, how to find power > settings in Windows 8.1 and troubleshoot related problems. > > > The first thing to realize about Windows 8.1's sleep and hibernation is > there are lots of settings. So it follows that people experience a wide > range of hibernating related problems. > > My point is that you have to work hard to find a description of the exact > same predicament that you are troubleshooting, but don't worry, I have lots > of scenarios to help you understand Windows 8.1's snoozing habits. > > Windows 8.1 Shutdown Menu > Windows 8.1 Shutdown Menu > > Changes In Windows 8.1 Sleep Menu > > In a nutshell, Windows 8.1's new hybrid boot technology brings much more > responsive awakening from sleep than previous Microsoft > operating systems > . > > Finding the Power switch in the Metro UI is a little different from the > classic Windows 7 start menu. As such, there are at least 2 ways of causing > a machine to slumber! > > My favorite method is activating the Metro 'Charms' with Winkey +c, then > choosing 'Settings'. You should see the Power switch at the bottom right - > see screenshot. > > Metro Charms to Power Button > Metro Charms to Power Button > > > The Difference Between Windows 8.1 Hibernate and Sleep > > A sleeping computer awakens quicker than if you set the same machine set to > hibernate. The price to pay is that a sleeping computer could lose unsaved > data if someone turns it off, this is because the information is stored in > RAM, which is cleared if the > operating system > powers down. > > Although a hibernating machine takes longer to return to its previous > state, the > data > is safe because it reloads the contents of a physical file called > hiberfil.sys into memory. Consequently, if your co-worker accidentally > turned off your machine while it was hibernating your data would still be > just as you left it. > > One more point, Windows 8.1 has a setting called 'Hybrid boot', which > combines the speed of sleep with the > data security > of hibernate. > > Finding the Sleep and Hibernate Settings > > Microsoft provides four methods of finding the Windows 8.1 Power Settings: > > Plan A: Control Panel > > Hit the 'c' key on the Metro UI, Select 'Control Panel' > > Hardware > and Sound --> Power Options > > Manage Windows 8.1 Power Settings > Manage Windows 8.1 Power Settings > Plan B: Search Settings > > Call for the Charms, Winkey +c > > Select 'Search', > > Key Point select 'Settings' > > Type 'Power ' > > Plan C: PowerCFG > > Launch cmd, seek 'Run as Administrator' > > At the command prompt type > > powercfg /? > > powercfg -q (Query settings) > > powercfg -h on > > Plan D: (Only if you have battery!) > > Switch to the > Desktop > > Right-click the battery in the Navigation Area, > > Left-click the battery and > > Select 'More Power Options' > > Before you start changing the Power settings consider what you want to > achieve, for example, conserving the battery, changing the Power Button > options, altering the wake-up triggers, or simply improving security when > you are away from the machine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Previous > > Next > > > > > > Summary > > > > Windows 8.1: Changes in Sleep Menu > > > > Windows 8.1 Power Options > > > > Troubleshooting Windows 8.1 Sleep and Hibernate > ... 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