I'm sure  if you really wanted to, you'd've found other ways to get 
help.  If spite is more important, then one really doesn't need assistance.

On 10/17/2016 9:20 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
> My opinion only, but I won't be buying jaws or any of their products.  I
> don't recall what the thing was even called, but was a portable device
> put out by freedom that did everything, e-mail, gps and so forth.  The v
> a bought a friend of mine a new one so he gave me his old unit, about
> three thousand dollars worth of stuff.  He had let the batteries run
> down, so the thing lost all its marbles, meeded reset.  I called
> freedom's "customer support"  and they wouldn't help me at all as I
> wasn't the original purchaser.  My friend contacted them and they
> wouldn't help him either as he hadn't actually purchased the product.
> It was bought by the v a and the person who signed the purchase order
> wasn't with them any more.  After explaining all of this to their
> "customer service" department, they still refused to help.  I threw the
> stuff in the dumpster, three grand worth of stuff totally worthless,
> because they wouldn't support their product.   Just my little story.
>
>
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
> Node 3148
> Wallace, ks.
>
>
>  On Sun, 16 Oct 2016, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
>
>> VFO is basically a creation of Freedom Scientific: with all of its
>> shoddy practices built in.
>>
>>
>>
>> Vaughan.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/16/2016 3:26 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote:
>>>  Hello list.
>>>
>>>  I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good.
>>>
>>>  Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it
>>> puts the
>>>  other screen reader into the useless category.
>>>
>>>  That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is
>>> for
>>>  the Apple products.
>>>
>>>  Probably that's how it should be any way.
>>>
>>>  The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart
>>> sick.
>>>
>>>  Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands and
>>>  other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age.
>>>
>>>  Something is just a little funny about this whole thing.
>>>
>>>  Kenneth Son.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote:
>>> >  Hello list,
>>> > >  I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on
>>> their web
>>> >  site.
>>> > >  It was interesting to find that in their list of products that
>>> they will
>>> >  take note of Window-Eyes does not exist!
>>> >  I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about
>>> Window-Eyes in >  my
>>> >  comments.
>>> > > > >  Regards, John
>>> > >  Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
>>> >  Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076
>>> > > > >  -----Original Message-----
>>> >  From: Talk
>>> >
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet....@lists.window-eyes.com] >
>>> On
>>> >  Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
>>> >  Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM
>>> >  To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> >  Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
>>> > >  No official word yet.  If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays
>>> >  around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you
>>> expect
>>> >  the same type of customer service and great products as you did
>>> when ai
>>> >  squared was around. This will let them know you care about the
>>> product
>>> >  and that you are a loyal user.
>>> > > > > >  On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote:
>>> > >  Hi all,
>>> > > > >  Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is
>>> wineyes going > >  to be
>>> > >  fazed out?
>>> > > > >  -----Original Message-----
>>> > >  From: Talk
>>> > >
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet....@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>> > > > >  On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
>>> > >  Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
>>> > >  To: bj colt via Talk
>>> > >  Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
>>> > > > >  Hello John,
>>> > > > >  I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know,
>>> there is
>>> > >  speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it
>>> is, I > >  am
>>> > >  not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it,
>>> amongst
>>> > >  other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
>>> > >  Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind
>>> people
>>> > >  wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work
>>> fund.
>>> > >  Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
>>> > >  people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
>>> > >  technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source,
>>> and they
>>> > >  think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another
>>> way.
>>> > >  We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't
>>> pay for
>>> > >  Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work,
>>> so > >  you
>>> > >  would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of
>>> your own
>>> > >  pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are >
>>> >  developing
>>> > >  both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but
>>> phasing > >  out
>>> > >  Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.
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