I agree completely. -----Original Message----- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail....@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Diana Kube via Talk Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 4:12 AM To: wohlg...@gmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
What actual evidence exists for this rampant conjecture. I continue to get updates for both apps and WE. I also get reply's to support requests. What I see happening here, in the absence of any actual proof, is some people who either have too little to do or have established a deliberate campaign to undermine WE. I am happy to look at any actual evidence, if anyone can provide this, but until then I will continue to use WE and not get myself worked up about what may or may not happen in the future. So if there are press releases, communications from the company, or termination of service notices, please post them on the list so that we can make decisions about what to do next. -----Original Message----- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+kube=netspace.net...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Jim via Talk Sent: Sunday, 2 April 2017 2:21 AM To: Butch Bussen <but...@shellworld.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes Correvtion, I talked to Dave about two seek ago so there is more than just one left. Jim On 01-Apr-17 11:59, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote: > Personally, I won't buy jaws. If WE becomes unuseable, I'll go to n v > d a. I've donated to them before and will do so again. How many of > us out there have unfulfilled s m a's? The longer they delay, the > longer they can put off refunding any money or giving us something. > Why on earth would they develop and sell two screen readers? Only one > still there from the gw days is Doug, and his hands are tied. I've > still got systems running xp and those run window-eyes just fine. I > think many of us forget to give GW credit for the fine work they did > over the years and their great customer support. I've had a few > dealings with Freedom in the past and my experience has been their > customer support was terrible. I forget what the thing was called, > but was a note taker with gps and all that. A friend gave me his old > one as the v a bought him a new one. He had let the batteries run > clear down, and the thing lost all of its marbles. I couldn't get any > help from freedom to get up and running again unless the original > purchaser contacted them, and the "original purchaser" didn't even > work for the v a any more. I finally threw a couple grand worth of > stuff in the dumpster. As the old 4 preps song went, "more money for > you and me." No jaws for me at any price. > > 73 > Butch > WA0VJR > Node 3148 > Wallace, ks. > > > On Sat, 1 Apr 2017, Loy via Talk wrote: > >> I agree, I depend on WE every day and I can't afford JAWS. It's been >> 9 months since the acquisition of AISquared and not one word from VFO >> about WE.They are not being honest with all the WE users by being >> silent. I will continue to use WE as long as Windows doesn't change >> where it will no longer work. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Rod Hutton via Talk >> To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:58 AM >> Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes >> >> >> Hi Vaughan, >> >> I believe it is a matter of semantics. >> The phrase "not a going concern," to me, implies it is not relevant >> in my life on a daily basis. >> For me, this is not true, since I use it every day. >> Personally, I find this type of language discouraging since I, and >> many others on this this, depend on this screen reader for our >> livelihood and are continuing to use it. >> In addition, and, again, personally, I find this discussion tiresome >> and annoying. >> This is just my feeling. >> >> Respectfully, >> >> Rod >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail....@lists.window-eyes.com] On >> Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk >> Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 4:02 AM >> To: Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> >> Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes >> >> I think it will still be an option - but some of you are missing the >> point: it is no longer a practical option for many people. >> >> >> The evidence does not support on-going development. >> >> Evidence includes: bugs not fixed >> Loss of personnel who interacted with the users via this list and >> through other channels. >> The Fort Wayne office is not part of the VFO addresses for its offices. >> >> No news on the VFO site. >> The disestablishemngt of Zoomtext Fusion, in favour of a JFW interface. >> This list is not monitored by VFO. It VFO was paying attentiont it, >> some of the claims made by people like me would be challenged. >> >> >> So: no one is saying stop using your copy of Window-Eyes. All we >> are saying is that it is no longer a going concern. >> >> Vaughan. >> >> >> >> On 4/1/2017 8:52 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: >> > I agree I am of the same thought process until an announcement >> from someone > at VFO says there will be no more window eyes I will >> continue to think it's > a option. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail....@lists.window-eyes.com] >> > On Behalf Of Jim via Talk >> > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 8:38 PM > To: Don H; Window-Eyes >> Discussion List > Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window >> eyes > >> > Hi there! >> > >> > Question, what is the source of your information about W.E. going >> away? >> > I have seen nothing official from anyone regarding this issue and >> until I > do, I will continue to believe that W.E. is ALIVE and >> KICKING! I am getting > rather tire of seeing this same old topic >> being brought up over and over. I > do not wish to start any sort >> of heated debate on this subject I just want > to see where all this >> so called information is actually coming from..? Have > A Great >> Day! de > > <JF8LT><Jim>. >> > >> > >> > On 31-Mar-17 11:12, Don H via Talk wrote: >> >> If you think Window Eyes isn't going away I also have a nice >> bridge to >> sell you. It is called the Golden Gate and I will sell >> it real cheap. >> >> >> >> On 3/31/2017 12:59 AM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: >> >>> We don't know WE is going away. >> >>> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >> >>> From: Talk >> >>> >> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail....@lists.window-eyes.com] >> >>> On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk >> >>> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 1:26 PM >>> To: Sky Mundell; >> Window-Eyes Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: orbit20 display and >> future of window eyes >>> >>> Hi Sky and List >>> >>> >>> I >> think it is beyond the point of saving Window-Eyes. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> I think what folks on this list need to do now is to contact VFO >> and >>> push for a reasonable price to transition from Window-Eyes >> to jaws. >> >>> The number of SMAs should be considered so perhaps those with >> SMAs >>> would be given jaws SMAs or the money paid toward their >> SMAs would be >>> put toward the cost of jaws. Everyone should be >> given the convention >>> price for jaws. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Just a thought, >> >>> >> >>> Brenda >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On 3/30/2017 12:38 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: >> >>>> Hello Kevin and Vaughn. Here are my thoughts on this. Had the >> blind >>>> organisations had given Window-Eyes a chance, Window-Eyes >> would not >>>> have gotten extinct and this would not have happened. >> Below, I'm >>>> going to forward you guys some emails from a friend >> of mine who is >>>> on this list, and I support him 100 percent! >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Email 1: >> >>>> >> >>>> Hi Sky, >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Sadly that has been the way it has been since the start. As you >> >>>> said, had the rnib, cnib, american league for th blind and so on >> >>>> favoured window-eyes or even given it a chance. It would not be >> >>>> almost extinct at this moment in time. It does make me angry. >> These >> >>>> people are somehow escaping accountability for their acdtions. >> The >>>> entire system has been geared towards Jaws continually. >> Every other >>>> screen reader has become second rate because of the >> power wielded >>>> withing the blind community. It's alright us >> saying this but >>>> actually proving it is another matter. If it >> could be proved and >>>> despite all the negativity, it could. Then >> what could happen? >> >>>> Telling the world about how a ruthless power hungry >> organisation set >>>> out to control the world of the blind with a >> screen reader? If >>>> people would back us up and not just say that >> is what happened >>>> without saying I can prove it. To be able to >> prove it would be the >>>> icing on the cake. It would show the >> rotten, evil people at jaws who >>>> abused their power and in a way >> forced vendors to favour jaws above >>>> other screen readers. If >> enough people were prepared to come out and >>>> back us up we would >> have enough to at least make >>> those responcible for the blind to >> wake up and accept responcibility. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> I doubt that will ever happen as proving what we know to be >> true >>>> would be difficult. Not impossible. We do have what is >> called a >>>> Mergers and nonopoly commission but it too is being >> seen as a dog with > no teeth. >> >>>> Although it blocked a merger a few days ago between the two >> major >>>> money markets, one in London and the other in @Germany >> from combining. >> >>>> They have some power but it is only token gesture. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> There is a proposed merger between Rupert Murdoch and Sky tv. >> He >>>> will be allowed to buy it despite criticism from other media >> >>>> cdompanies. He owns the majority of the world's media and his >> >>>> control is beyond anything that the world has seen before. There >> >>>> isn't much he doesn't own and his political power is immeanse. >> That >> >>>> is the exact same as jaws, the rnib, cnib and other >> organisations for > the blind. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> If it could be possible for witnesses to come forward and >> confirm >>>> what we are saying. That would be at least a start. We >> could get up >>>> a petition expressing our opinion of the bullying >> from these so >>>> called institutions for the blind. bringing them >> to account. It may >>>> not do very much but at least it would rock >> the boat for a short >>>> time and always be part of the history of >> blind peoples lives in a >>>> corrupt and >>> overbearing system. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Email 2: >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> From: bj colt [mailto:bjc...@blueyonder.co.uk] >>>> Sent: >> Friday, March 24, 2017 6:34 AM >>>> To: Sky Mundell >>>> Subject: >> Re: window eyes proposal >>>> >>>> Hi Sky, >>>> >>>> I listened >> to the podcast from scun. I am not only disgusted but >>>> really >> pissed off at VFO and with the presenters at the tech podcast. >> >>>> ~Why aren't they kicking up hell? Probably because they are >> jaws >>>> users. I got that impression just by their attitude. Zoom >> text and >>>> fusion was an AI squared and window-eyes conception. >> Not a VFO idea. >> >>>> I did say that's why they bought out ai squared and it seems I >> was >>>> right. They are going to unceremoniously dump window-eyes. >> No new >>>> updadtes, no upgrades, nothing, no development. The list >> really has >>>> to do something at this stage. We really have to get >> together and >>>> make sure VFO are aware of our feelings. Everyone >> who has paid for >>>> sma's are now entitled to a full refund, no >> questions asked. No >>>> development means no upgrades, no upgrades >> equals no need for sma's. >> >>>> No sma's means >> >>> they are stealing our money under false pretences. >> >>>> This time things have gone too far. Something has to be done, >> >>>> whether it is a petition, legal action to force VFO to state >> their > position. >> >>> Something. >> >>>> All the conjecture on the list has to stop and positive action >> taken >>>> by those who wish to keep window-eyes alive. What was >> stated in that >>>> podcast, whether it is the opinions or not of >> the people who are >>>> making the statements. It was made so clear, >> "No development of >>>> window-eyes will continue". Only those areas >> where profit is to be >>>> made >>> will be supported. >> >>>> That was made abundantly clear. That wasn't just an opinion, it >> was >>>> a matter of fact. >> >>>> >> >>>> Live long and prosper, John >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Hi Sky, >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Yes, they said that the free copy of window-eyes with Office >> was a >>>> demo, that it wasn't a full version, it only lasted 6 >> months, it >>>> only lasted a month. Those were regular lies told by >> vendors. The >>>> vendors favoured Jaws because it brought them more >> profit. In that >>>> the Big blind organisations reckomended jaws >> above other screen >>>> readers. When those in Education, employment >> and other fields >>>> contacted the rnib etc with questions about >> screen readers. >> What did >> >>>> they get? They got jaws and nothing else. No reckomendations >> for >>>> window-eyes, nothing, only jaws was offered. It happened >> iwth me. I lost > a job because of it. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Think about it? Jaws screen reader was always reckomended, >> followed >>>> by extensive training in jaws at a higher cost, >> scripts that were >>>> designed by jaws script writers at a >> consierable cost. Sky that was >>>> the entire package that was >> reckomended. The cost of everything, the >>>> dam high cost of >> everything. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> From: bj colt [mailto:bjc...@blueyonder.co.uk] >>>> Sent: >> Sunday, November 27, 2016 10:51 AM >>>> To: Sky Mundell >>>> >> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes Proposal >>>> >>>> Hi Sky, >>>> >>>> >> Members of the list have stated that and more. No one was willing to >> >>>> fight gw's corner. Jaws had too much a grip in institutions, >> that's >>>> one >>> reason. >> >>>> The actual proof was so well hidden it could not be proved >> >>>> conclusivly. Yet it was widely known. As in the post about FS >> seuing >>>> institutions if they didn't approve of jaws over any >> other screen >>>> reader. In hindsight, had we known that >> window-eyes would be put in >>>> jeapordy we would have done >> something. None of us knew this may >>>> happen and that's another >> reason we didn't do anything about the > situation. >> >>>> Sadly it looks as if it is all over for window-eyes. I noticed >> the >>>> post saying the person contacted aisquared and confirmed >> that s m >>>> a's were and would be available in the future. >> >>>> Yet he wasn't willing to actualy prove that was the case. He >> didn't >>>> post an email or confirmation from asquared that this >> was the case. >> >>>> I would have liked to have been given proof of this. My proof >> is in >>>> the email posted to the group by asquared, where no >> mention of s m >>>> a's are >>> made. >> >>>> There isn't much time left for VFO to make an official >> statement >>>> about the future of window-eyes. Then we will know >> for certain. >> >>>> >> >>>> Robert would be livid. He would be doing anything to keep >>>> >> window-eyes >>> alive. >> >>>> The same as we will be doing. He will be proud of us when the >> time >>>> comes. >> >>>> >> >>>> Live long and prosper, John >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> These are my thoughts as well. These emails should get us >> springing >>>> into action to keep Window-Eyes going. Lets all keep >> it alive and >>>> get this truth exposed and get Window-Eyes to the >> top in >>>> organisations for the >>> blind. >> >>>> -----Original Message----- >> >>>> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] >> >>>> On Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk >>>> Sent: Thursday, March >> 30, 2017 6:50 AM >>>> To: Vaughan Dodd; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> >>>> Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes >>>> Hi >> >>>> Vaughan: >> >>>> >> >>>> Mostly, I see your point and I would aggree, accept that, if >> VFO >>>> works out a contract with Microsoft which will allow them >> to create >>>> a JAWS For Office, presumably Window-eyes, and >> therefore Window-eyes >>>> for office, will be dead so there will >> only be two free screen readerws. >> >>>> Also, if WGW Micro created Window-eyes for Office to prevent >> people >>>> from switching to NVDA, wouldn't that reasoning apply to >> creating a >>>> JAWS For Office? Not to say that they will because >> I highly doubt >>>> that that will happen, but maybe it remains a >> possibility. >> >>>> Kevin Huber and >> >>>> >> >>>> On 3/29/17, Vaughan Dodd via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> >> wrote: >> >>>>> I think you'll find that VFO will not do this. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Microsoft funded this, under a contractual basis. >> >>>>> The contract supporting the Window-Eyes with Office scheme >> will >> >>>>> most certainly come to an end. >> >>>>> The financial backers of VFO are funding the continued >> development >>>>> of JFW, and they will expect a return on their >> investment. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> The Window-Eyes for Office deal was a response to the >> increasing >>>>> user support for NVDA. The dramatic reduction in >> the addition of >>>>> new features and bug fixes for Window-Eyes is >> due in part to the >>>>> deal, and people choosing not to purchase >> Window-Eyes because they >>>>> had access to two free screen >> readers. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> There is no way that there can be three free screenreaders. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Think about it: once a JFW for Office deal is struck with >> >>>>> Microsoft, there will be clauses - such as - "cannot continue >> to >>>>> develop interfaces for products from software competitors" >> and so > forth. >> >>>>> Regarding the Orbit thing: emulation of an 18 cell display >> means >>>>> you lose 10% of the available realestate. Because the >> objective of >>>>> the Orbit >>>> project >>>>> is sound - >> electronic braille to more people - there will be a JFW >>>>> driver >> soon. That driver will probably need to be developed by the >>>>> >> Orbit consortium, rather than VFO. VFO won't throw in a free non >> >>>>> VFO braille display when you buy JFW. It will develop deals >> for >>>>> discounting its own displays. This is partly why Optelec >> are part >>>>> of the >>> group. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Vaughan. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Vaughan. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >> >>>>> From: Talk >> >>>>> >> [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt.nz@lists.window-eyes. >> >>>>> co m] On Behalf Of Joshua Kennedy via Talk >>>>> Sent: >> Thursday, 30 March 2017 11:07 a.m. >> >>>>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com >>>>> Subject: orbit20 display >> and future of window eyes >>>>> >>>>> and so this is why the vfo >> group has to just fold window eyes into >>>>> jaws or just give us a >> free jaws for office option. because for >>>>> some people NVDA does >> not cut it, and we need something more >>>>> powerful, yet that is >> low cost or free. a jaws for office would >>>>> work fine especially >> if you need to do stuff in microsoft office. >> >>>>> not to mention jaws works good with the orbit >>>>> reader20 >> prototype set to refreshabraille18 emulation. >> >>>>> window eyes does not work with orbit20 at all. come on vfo >> group >>>>> let us >>>> use >>>>> jaws for free if microsoft >> office is installed on our machines! >> >>>>> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those >> of >>>>> the >>>> author >>>>> and do not necessarily represent >> those of Ai Squared. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> For membership options, visit >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/vaughan. >> >>>> dodd00 >> >>>> 1%40msd.govt.nz. >> >>>>> For subscription options, visit >>>>> >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> >>>>> List archives can be found at >> >>>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> >>>>> >> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> This email and any >> attachments may contain information that is >>>> confidential >>>>> >> and subject to legal privilege. 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