Can you post the sorce link so we can go look at the page ourselves please? Thanks, Sky.
-----Original Message----- From: Talk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2017 10:26 AM To: [email protected]; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes I saw on a Microsoft page where they listed the Screen Readers ready for the Win 10 Creator it did list Window Eyes 9.5.4 as being one that is ready. At least Microsoft is more considerate than VFO to let us know something. ----- Original Message ----- From: Brenda via Talk To: [email protected] ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 1:15 PM Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes Here are a few thoughts... The comment about window-eyes not being a going concern related back to it not being a going concern of VFO not us users. So far, it does appear that VFO isn't doing much with W-e, and those of us on the list are concerned. The listers who do not like this conversation can use their delete button. The conversation about the future of Window-eyes has been very helpful to me as it gives me the opportunity to interract with others to process events of late. I have been able to deal with the situation and make decisions on my future because of this thread and interraction with listers on and off list. I have been depressed and stressed about the status of Window-eyes, and these posts help me not to feel alone. Window-eyes was my first screen reader. It was with me down the dark tunnel of totally relying on a screen reader and not visual info. Facing the reality alone would have been difficult. I am very grateful for all listers input and comments which have helped me develop a plan and positive outlook. Here are some sayings/phrases that have come to mind as I read this thread about the future of Window-eyes 1. Don't bite off your nose to spite your face. 2. Wake up and smell the coffee 3. the grass is sometimes greener on the other side (when the grass on your side is dry and brown) Take care, Brenda On 4/1/2017 12:21 PM, Jim via Talk wrote: > Correvtion, I talked to Dave about two seek ago so there is more than > just one left. > > Jim > > > On 01-Apr-17 11:59, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote: >> Personally, I won't buy jaws. If WE becomes unuseable, I'll go to n >> v d a. I've donated to them before and will do so again. How many >> of us out there have unfulfilled s m a's? The longer they delay, the >> longer they can put off refunding any money or giving us something. >> Why on earth would they develop and sell two screen readers? Only >> one still there from the gw days is Doug, and his hands are tied. >> I've still got systems running xp and those run window-eyes just >> fine. I think many of us forget to give GW credit for the fine work >> they did over the years and their great customer support. I've had a >> few dealings with Freedom in the past and my experience has been >> their customer support was terrible. I forget what the thing was >> called, but was a note taker with gps and all that. A friend gave me >> his old one as the v a bought him a new one. He had let the >> batteries run clear down, and the thing lost all of its marbles. I >> couldn't get any help from freedom to get up and running again unless >> the original purchaser contacted them, and the "original purchaser" >> didn't even work for the v a any more. I finally threw a couple >> grand worth of stuff in the dumpster. As the old 4 preps song went, >> "more money for you and me." No jaws for me at any price. >> >> 73 >> Butch >> WA0VJR >> Node 3148 >> Wallace, ks. >> >> >> On Sat, 1 Apr 2017, Loy via Talk wrote: >> >>> I agree, I depend on WE every day and I can't afford JAWS. It's been >>> 9 months since the acquisition of AISquared and not one word from >>> VFO about WE.They are not being honest with all the WE users by >>> being silent. I will continue to use WE as long as Windows doesn't >>> change where it will no longer work. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Rod Hutton via Talk >>> To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >>> Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:58 AM >>> Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes >>> >>> >>> Hi Vaughan, >>> >>> I believe it is a matter of semantics. >>> The phrase "not a going concern," to me, implies it is not relevant >>> in my life on a daily basis. >>> For me, this is not true, since I use it every day. >>> Personally, I find this type of language discouraging since I, and >>> many others on this this, depend on this screen reader for our >>> livelihood and are continuing to use it. >>> In addition, and, again, personally, I find this discussion >>> tiresome and annoying. >>> This is just my feeling. >>> >>> Respectfully, >>> >>> Rod >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Talk >>> [mailto:[email protected]] >>> On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk >>> Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 4:02 AM >>> To: Dennis Long <[email protected]>; Window-Eyes Discussion >>> List <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes >>> >>> I think it will still be an option - but some of you are missing the >>> point: it is no longer a practical option for many people. >>> >>> >>> The evidence does not support on-going development. >>> >>> Evidence includes: bugs not fixed >>> Loss of personnel who interacted with the users via this list and >>> through other channels. >>> The Fort Wayne office is not part of the VFO addresses for its >>> offices. >>> >>> No news on the VFO site. >>> The disestablishemngt of Zoomtext Fusion, in favour of a JFW >>> interface. >>> This list is not monitored by VFO. It VFO was paying attentiont it, >>> some of the claims made by people like me would be challenged. >>> >>> >>> So: no one is saying stop using your copy of Window-Eyes. All we are >>> saying is that it is no longer a going concern. >>> >>> Vaughan. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 4/1/2017 8:52 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: >>> > I agree I am of the same thought process until an announcement >>> from someone >>> > at VFO says there will be no more window eyes I will continue to >>> think it's >>> > a option. >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Talk >>> [mailto:[email protected]] >>> > On Behalf Of Jim via Talk >>> > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 8:38 PM >>> > To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List >>> > Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes >>> > >>> > Hi there! >>> > >>> > Question, what is the source of your information about W.E. going >>> away? >>> > I have seen nothing official from anyone regarding this issue and >>> until I >>> > do, I will continue to believe that W.E. is ALIVE and KICKING! I >>> am getting >>> > rather tire of seeing this same old topic being brought up over >>> and over. I >>> > do not wish to start any sort of heated debate on this subject I >>> just want >>> > to see where all this so called information is actually coming >>> from..? Have >>> > A Great Day! de >>> > >>> > <JF8LT><Jim>. >>> > >>> > >>> > On 31-Mar-17 11:12, Don H via Talk wrote: >>> >> If you think Window Eyes isn't going away I also have a nice >>> bridge to >>> >> sell you. It is called the Golden Gate and I will sell it real >>> cheap. >>> >> >>> >> On 3/31/2017 12:59 AM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: >>> >>> We don't know WE is going away. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> >>> From: Talk >>> >>> [mailto:[email protected]] >>> >>> On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 1:26 PM >>> >>> To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List >>> >>> Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Sky and List >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I think it is beyond the point of saving Window-Eyes. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I think what folks on this list need to do now is to contact >>> VFO and >>> >>> push for a reasonable price to transition from Window-Eyes to >>> jaws. >>> >>> The number of SMAs should be considered so perhaps those with SMAs >>> >>> would be given jaws SMAs or the money paid toward their SMAs >>> would be >>> >>> put toward the cost of jaws. Everyone should be given the >>> convention >>> >>> price for jaws. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Just a thought, >>> >>> >>> >>> Brenda >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 3/30/2017 12:38 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Kevin and Vaughn. Here are my thoughts on this. Had the >>> blind >>> >>>> organisations had given Window-Eyes a chance, Window-Eyes >>> would not >>> >>>> have gotten extinct and this would not have happened. Below, I'm >>> >>>> going to forward you guys some emails from a friend of mine >>> who is >>> >>>> on this list, and I support him 100 percent! >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Email 1: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Hi Sky, >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Sadly that has been the way it has been since the start. As you >>> >>>> said, had the rnib, cnib, american league for th blind and so on >>> >>>> favoured window-eyes or even given it a chance. It would not be >>> >>>> almost extinct at this moment in time. It does make me angry. >>> These >>> >>>> people are somehow escaping accountability for their acdtions. >>> The >>> >>>> entire system has been geared towards Jaws continually. Every >>> other >>> >>>> screen reader has become second rate because of the power wielded >>> >>>> withing the blind community. It's alright us saying this but >>> >>>> actually proving it is another matter. If it could be proved and >>> >>>> despite all the negativity, it could. Then what could happen? >>> >>>> Telling the world about how a ruthless power hungry >>> organisation set >>> >>>> out to control the world of the blind with a screen reader? If >>> >>>> people would back us up and not just say that is what happened >>> >>>> without saying I can prove it. To be able to prove it would be >>> the >>> >>>> icing on the cake. It would show the rotten, evil people at >>> jaws who >>> >>>> abused their power and in a way forced vendors to favour jaws >>> above >>> >>>> other screen readers. If enough people were prepared to come >>> out and >>> >>>> back us up we would have enough to at least make >>> >>> those responcible for the blind to wake up and accept >>> responcibility. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I doubt that will ever happen as proving what we know to be true >>> >>>> would be difficult. Not impossible. We do have what is called a >>> >>>> Mergers and nonopoly commission but it too is being seen as a >>> dog with >>> > no teeth. >>> >>>> Although it blocked a merger a few days ago between the two major >>> >>>> money markets, one in London and the other in @Germany from >>> combining. >>> >>>> They have some power but it is only token gesture. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> There is a proposed merger between Rupert Murdoch and Sky tv. He >>> >>>> will be allowed to buy it despite criticism from other media >>> >>>> cdompanies. He owns the majority of the world's media and his >>> >>>> control is beyond anything that the world has seen before. There >>> >>>> isn't much he doesn't own and his political power is immeanse. >>> That >>> >>>> is the exact same as jaws, the rnib, cnib and other >>> organisations for >>> > the blind. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> If it could be possible for witnesses to come forward and confirm >>> >>>> what we are saying. That would be at least a start. We could >>> get up >>> >>>> a petition expressing our opinion of the bullying from these so >>> >>>> called institutions for the blind. bringing them to account. >>> It may >>> >>>> not do very much but at least it would rock the boat for a short >>> >>>> time and always be part of the history of blind peoples lives >>> in a >>> >>>> corrupt and >>> >>> overbearing system. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Email 2: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> From: bj colt [mailto:[email protected]] >>> >>>> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 6:34 AM >>> >>>> To: Sky Mundell >>> >>>> Subject: Re: window eyes proposal >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Hi Sky, >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I listened to the podcast from scun. I am not only disgusted but >>> >>>> really pissed off at VFO and with the presenters at the tech >>> podcast. >>> >>>> ~Why aren't they kicking up hell? Probably because they are jaws >>> >>>> users. I got that impression just by their attitude. Zoom text >>> and >>> >>>> fusion was an AI squared and window-eyes conception. Not a VFO >>> idea. >>> >>>> I did say that's why they bought out ai squared and it seems I >>> was >>> >>>> right. They are going to unceremoniously dump window-eyes. No new >>> >>>> updadtes, no upgrades, nothing, no development. The list >>> really has >>> >>>> to do something at this stage. We really have to get together and >>> >>>> make sure VFO are aware of our feelings. Everyone who has paid >>> for >>> >>>> sma's are now entitled to a full refund, no questions asked. No >>> >>>> development means no upgrades, no upgrades equals no need for >>> sma's. >>> >>>> No sma's means >>> >>> they are stealing our money under false pretences. >>> >>>> This time things have gone too far. Something has to be done, >>> >>>> whether it is a petition, legal action to force VFO to state >>> their >>> > position. >>> >>> Something. >>> >>>> All the conjecture on the list has to stop and positive action >>> taken >>> >>>> by those who wish to keep window-eyes alive. What was stated >>> in that >>> >>>> podcast, whether it is the opinions or not of the people who are >>> >>>> making the statements. It was made so clear, "No development of >>> >>>> window-eyes will continue". Only those areas where profit is >>> to be >>> >>>> made >>> >>> will be supported. >>> >>>> That was made abundantly clear. That wasn't just an opinion, >>> it was >>> >>>> a matter of fact. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Live long and prosper, John >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Hi Sky, >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Yes, they said that the free copy of window-eyes with Office >>> was a >>> >>>> demo, that it wasn't a full version, it only lasted 6 months, it >>> >>>> only lasted a month. Those were regular lies told by vendors. The >>> >>>> vendors favoured Jaws because it brought them more profit. In >>> that >>> >>>> the Big blind organisations reckomended jaws above other screen >>> >>>> readers. When those in Education, employment and other fields >>> >>>> contacted the rnib etc with questions about screen readers. >>> What did >>> >>>> they get? They got jaws and nothing else. No reckomendations for >>> >>>> window-eyes, nothing, only jaws was offered. It happened iwth >>> me. I lost >>> > a job because of it. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Think about it? Jaws screen reader was always reckomended, >>> followed >>> >>>> by extensive training in jaws at a higher cost, scripts that were >>> >>>> designed by jaws script writers at a consierable cost. Sky >>> that was >>> >>>> the entire package that was reckomended. The cost of >>> everything, the >>> >>>> dam high cost of everything. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> From: bj colt [mailto:[email protected]] >>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 10:51 AM >>> >>>> To: Sky Mundell >>> >>>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes Proposal >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Hi Sky, >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Members of the list have stated that and more. No one was >>> willing to >>> >>>> fight gw's corner. Jaws had too much a grip in institutions, >>> that's >>> >>>> one >>> >>> reason. >>> >>>> The actual proof was so well hidden it could not be proved >>> >>>> conclusivly. Yet it was widely known. As in the post about FS >>> seuing >>> >>>> institutions if they didn't approve of jaws over any other screen >>> >>>> reader. In hindsight, had we known that window-eyes would be >>> put in >>> >>>> jeapordy we would have done something. None of us knew this may >>> >>>> happen and that's another reason we didn't do anything about the >>> > situation. >>> >>>> Sadly it looks as if it is all over for window-eyes. I noticed >>> the >>> >>>> post saying the person contacted aisquared and confirmed that s m >>> >>>> a's were and would be available in the future. >>> >>>> Yet he wasn't willing to actualy prove that was the case. He >>> didn't >>> >>>> post an email or confirmation from asquared that this was the >>> case. >>> >>>> I would have liked to have been given proof of this. My proof >>> is in >>> >>>> the email posted to the group by asquared, where no mention of >>> s m >>> >>>> a's are >>> >>> made. >>> >>>> There isn't much time left for VFO to make an official statement >>> >>>> about the future of window-eyes. Then we will know for certain. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Robert would be livid. He would be doing anything to keep >>> >>>> window-eyes >>> >>> alive. >>> >>>> The same as we will be doing. He will be proud of us when the >>> time >>> >>>> comes. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Live long and prosper, John >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> These are my thoughts as well. These emails should get us >>> springing >>> >>>> into action to keep Window-Eyes going. Lets all keep it alive >>> and >>> >>>> get this truth exposed and get Window-Eyes to the top in >>> >>>> organisations for the >>> >>> blind. >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>> >>>> From: Talk >>> [mailto:[email protected]] >>> >>>> On Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk >>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 6:50 AM >>> >>>> To: Vaughan Dodd; Window-Eyes Discussion List >>> >>>> Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Hi Vaughan: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Mostly, I see your point and I would aggree, accept that, if VFO >>> >>>> works out a contract with Microsoft which will allow them to >>> create >>> >>>> a JAWS For Office, presumably Window-eyes, and therefore >>> Window-eyes >>> >>>> for office, will be dead so there will only be two free screen >>> readerws. >>> >>>> Also, if WGW Micro created Window-eyes for Office to prevent >>> people >>> >>>> from switching to NVDA, wouldn't that reasoning apply to >>> creating a >>> >>>> JAWS For Office? Not to say that they will because I highly >>> doubt >>> >>>> that that will happen, but maybe it remains a possibility. >>> >>>> Kevin Huber and >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On 3/29/17, Vaughan Dodd via Talk <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>> I think you'll find that VFO will not do this. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Microsoft funded this, under a contractual basis. >>> >>>>> The contract supporting the Window-Eyes with Office >>> scheme will >>> >>>>> most certainly come to an end. >>> >>>>> The financial backers of VFO are funding the continued >>> development >>> >>>>> of JFW, and they will expect a return on their investment. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> The Window-Eyes for Office deal was a response to the increasing >>> >>>>> user support for NVDA. The dramatic reduction in the >>> addition of >>> >>>>> new features and bug fixes for Window-Eyes is due in part to the >>> >>>>> deal, and people choosing not to purchase Window-Eyes because >>> they >>> >>>>> had access to two free screen readers. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> There is no way that there can be three free screenreaders. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Think about it: once a JFW for Office deal is struck with >>> >>>>> Microsoft, there will be clauses - such as - "cannot continue to >>> >>>>> develop interfaces for products from software competitors" >>> and so >>> > forth. >>> >>>>> Regarding the Orbit thing: emulation of an 18 cell display means >>> >>>>> you lose 10% of the available realestate. Because the >>> objective of >>> >>>>> the Orbit >>> >>>> project >>> >>>>> is sound - electronic braille to more people - there will be >>> a JFW >>> >>>>> driver soon. That driver will probably need to be developed >>> by the >>> >>>>> Orbit consortium, rather than VFO. VFO won't throw in a free non >>> >>>>> VFO braille display when you buy JFW. It will develop deals for >>> >>>>> discounting its own displays. This is partly why Optelec are >>> part >>> >>>>> of the >>> >>> group. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Vaughan. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Vaughan. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>> >>>>> From: Talk >>> >>>>> >>> [mailto:[email protected]. >>> >>>>> co m] On Behalf Of Joshua Kennedy via Talk >>> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, 30 March 2017 11:07 a.m. >>> >>>>> To: [email protected] >>> >>>>> Subject: orbit20 display and future of window eyes >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> and so this is why the vfo group has to just fold window eyes >>> into >>> >>>>> jaws or just give us a free jaws for office option. because for >>> >>>>> some people NVDA does not cut it, and we need something more >>> >>>>> powerful, yet that is low cost or free. a jaws for office would >>> >>>>> work fine especially if you need to do stuff in microsoft >>> office. >>> >>>>> not to mention jaws works good with the orbit >>> >>>>> reader20 prototype set to refreshabraille18 emulation. >>> >>>>> window eyes does not work with orbit20 at all. come on vfo group >>> >>>>> let us >>> >>>> use >>> >>>>> jaws for free if microsoft office is installed on our machines! >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely >>> those of >>> >>>>> the >>> >>>> author >>> >>>>> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> For membership options, visit >>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/vaughan. >>> >>>> dodd00 >>> >>>> 1%40msd.govt.nz. >>> >>>>> For subscription options, visit >>> >>>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> >>>>> List archives can be found at >>> >>>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>> >>>>> This email and any attachments may contain information that is >>> >>>> confidential >>> >>>>> and subject to legal privilege. 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