That is why they have the second generation victor reader Stream!
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From: Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 11:29 AM
To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows screen readers
Yep, but that assumes you are comfortable with i phones and the like,
touch screens and so forth, which I'm not. Just doesn't make sense to
me. The thing most I phone users don't seem to understand is that it
isn't easy for all of us and they're not for everyone. But, it is the
same old attitude I have seen among the blind for years. Everybody
should use what I use and my way is the only way. I have an I pod touch
5 or whatever it is and I am going to smash it to bits some day.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.
On Tue,
4 Apr 2017, Tony C via Talk wrote:
Hi, The I pad mini 21, 2, or 3 are about the same. Fairly easy to learn.
reasonalbely priced at about $230.00 Take it out of the box turn it on
turn on voice over and have fun.
-----Original Message----- From: Don H via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 8:11 AM
To: steve.jacob...@visi.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows screen readers
Could the difference between accessibility on a I phone or I Pad and a
Mac book be that the phones and I pads are running the mobile versions
of a web site or ap and the Mac book isn't? I have been considering
purchasing a I Pad but just don't know which one to buy and wether it is
really a solution to avoid having to move to JAWS. I have been using
NVDA and it works fairly well but too has its shortcomings on some web
pages.
On 4/4/2017 8:02 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:
Tony,
I share some of your frustrations. I had to use JAWS more during the
past
year to do certain things on my job, and I was surprised at all of what
I
feel are bugs in JAWS. It always seemed to me that many JAWS users felt
that Window-Eyes had a monopoly on bugs. On my job, both JAWS and
Window-Eyes worked on some older software that I used while NVDA did not
work with it. While I like my iPhone, I have found myself frustrated
there with bugs as well. The pace of change in technology, particularly
web site development, is really putting a squeeze on our access on all
platforms in my opinion. I know of people who have switched to the MAC
and would never switch back, but I also know of a few who have switched
back. Also, some of your examples are partly due to inconsistent or
poor
web browser support. People I have talked to who work on accessibility
have told me that if a web page is at all complicated, it needs to be
tested with all combinations of screen readers and web browsers to know
if
the page will work. There is often even browser-specific code in web
sites even without accessibility. It is very possible, for example,
that
Netflix is running different code when you access the very same page
with
a MAC as you access with a Windows browser. This makes it very hard to
determine where problems exist.
I hope that your switch to Apple works well for you.
Best regards,
Steve Jacobson
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Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 3:46 AM
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Subject: Windows screen readers
Hello, Before I say anything, let me first say that I was a Jaws user
for
several years before switching to Window Eyes back in 2004, and I’ve
been a faitful WE user ever since. Why is it that everytime someone
can’t use a certain website or something like I tunes or Netflix the
first thing is they need to fix their website. Why is it that II a
person
can go to Netflix on an IOS device and using Voice Over can use netflix
with no problem. Now we are talking about a free built in screen reader
as
opposed to an $895 and $1195 third party screen readers? I can’t use
Netflix on my PC because both Jaws and Window eyes people have told me
it
isn’t accessible. However I can go to Netflix using my I phone or my I
Pad Mini and use netflix with the free screen reader? I mean I don’t get
it, support at both Jaws and WE have said it isn’t accessible and they
can’t make their screenreaders work with it, but IOS does???
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