On 4/5/2017 9:59 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:
That is why they have the second generation victor reader Stream! -----Original Message----- From: Butch Bussen via Talk Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 11:29 AM To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Yep, but that assumes you are comfortable with i phones and the like, touch screens and so forth, which I'm not. Just doesn't make sense to me. The thing most I phone users don't seem to understand is that it isn't easy for all of us and they're not for everyone. But, it is the same old attitude I have seen among the blind for years. Everybody should use what I use and my way is the only way. I have an I pod touch 5 or whatever it is and I am going to smash it to bits some day. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Tue, 4 Apr 2017, Tony C via Talk wrote:Hi, The I pad mini 21, 2, or 3 are about the same. Fairly easy to learn. reasonalbely priced at about $230.00 Take it out of the box turn it on turn on voice over and have fun.-----Original Message----- From: Don H via Talk Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 8:11 AM To: steve.jacob...@visi.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows screen readers Could the difference between accessibility on a I phone or I Pad and a Mac book be that the phones and I pads are running the mobile versions of a web site or ap and the Mac book isn't? I have been considering purchasing a I Pad but just don't know which one to buy and wether it is really a solution to avoid having to move to JAWS. I have been using NVDA and it works fairly well but too has its shortcomings on some web pages. On 4/4/2017 8:02 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:Tony,I share some of your frustrations. I had to use JAWS more during the past year to do certain things on my job, and I was surprised at all of what I feel are bugs in JAWS. It always seemed to me that many JAWS users feltthat Window-Eyes had a monopoly on bugs. On my job, both JAWS andWindow-Eyes worked on some older software that I used while NVDA did notwork with it. While I like my iPhone, I have found myself frustratedthere with bugs as well. The pace of change in technology, particularlyweb site development, is really putting a squeeze on our access on allplatforms in my opinion. I know of people who have switched to the MAC and would never switch back, but I also know of a few who have switched back. Also, some of your examples are partly due to inconsistent or poor web browser support. People I have talked to who work on accessibilityhave told me that if a web page is at all complicated, it needs to betested with all combinations of screen readers and web browsers to know ifthe page will work. There is often even browser-specific code in websites even without accessibility. It is very possible, for example, that Netflix is running different code when you access the very same page with a MAC as you access with a Windows browser. This makes it very hard todetermine where problems exist. I hope that your switch to Apple works well for you. Best regards, Steve Jacobson -----Original Message----- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi....@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 3:46 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Windows screen readersHello, Before I say anything, let me first say that I was a Jaws user forseveral years before switching to Window Eyes back in 2004, and I’ve been a faitful WE user ever since. Why is it that everytime someone can’t use a certain website or something like I tunes or Netflix thefirst thing is they need to fix their website. Why is it that II a person can go to Netflix on an IOS device and using Voice Over can use netflix with no problem. Now we are talking about a free built in screen reader asopposed to an $895 and $1195 third party screen readers? I can’t useNetflix on my PC because both Jaws and Window eyes people have told me itisn’t accessible. However I can go to Netflix using my I phone or my IPad Mini and use netflix with the free screen reader? I mean I don’t getit, support at both Jaws and WE have said it isn’t accessible and they can’t make their screenreaders work with it, but IOS does??? _______________________________________________ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. 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