There's no oneperfect system out there that works perfectly with every web
page and every program. In a "perfect" world they would, but then in a
perfect world no one would need a screen reader cuz noone would be blind.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 9:39 AM
To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: FW: makeing the switch
I agree, Rod. If an iPad or Mac can do everything one wants then it's
certainly a viable option. And that's the only point I'm trying to
stress: make sure it can do what you want before you run out and buy one
soli because someone said they never have any problems with web pages.
Regards,
Tom
On 4/5/2017 8:42 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
Hi Tom,
Since you had intended your post for the list, I'm forwarding my reply,
which just went to you, to the list too. (smile)
All the best,
Rod
-----Original Message-----
From: Rod Hutton
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 8:26 AM
To: Tom Kingston <tom.kings...@charter.net>
Subject: RE: makeing the switch
Hi Tom,
I totally agree with your intention to tone down the enthusiasm to make an
unwarranted switch.
And yet, depending on what they want or need to do, it can be a viable
option to switch, or at least use IOS for the majority of their computer
work.
However, nothing will ever replace the ease of browsing the web with
Windows, I think.
Take care,
Rod
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Kingston [mailto:tom.kings...@charter.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 11:50 PM
To: Rod Hutton <rod_hut...@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: makeing the switch
Yes Rod. But this is very very dependent on what you need to do and what
you want in a screen reader. iOS and VoiceOver don't cut it either way
for me. It's a convenient little access point for some things. That's
all it is to me. But that's me. I'm sure for some it's great. I just
don't want eagerness and wishful thinking landing people where I am. I
paid the typical ridiculous Apple price and would have been much better
off buying a new Windows laptop. But again, that's just me and my needs.
Regards,
Tom
On 4/4/2017 10:53 PM, Rod Hutton wrote:
Hi Tom,
Yes, and yet some have migrated to IOS:
https://www.macstories.net/stories/one-year-of-ipad-pro/2/#content
Happy trails,
Rod
-----Original Message-----
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail....@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 10:45 PM
To: Loy <loyrg2...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: makeing the switch
Loy,
Yes. Mac OS is a full blown operating system like Windows while iOS is a
slimmed down mobile OS designed to run on the mini computers it's
designed for.
Regards,
Tom
On 4/4/2017 5:59 PM, Loy via Talk wrote:
Is A desk top Mac OS different that on an IPad?
----- Original Message -----
From: Butch Bussen via Talk
To: Janet Brandly ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: makeing the switch
I actually bought a used mac mini a couple years ago, maybe 3 or 4.
It
was all just to foreign to me. Not only is the o s different, but
screen reader commands as well. With no help at all, it was just to
much for me these days to start from scratch. It isn't at all like
windows, so you're starting from the ground up. I'm to old, fat, and
lazy to do that these days.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.
On Tue, 4 Apr 2017, Janet Brandly via Talk
wrote:
> Hi Tony,
> I totally agree and am in a similar situation. My laptop is likely
nearing
> the end of its lifes'an and I'm seriously considering changing to an
Apple
> product for those exact reasons. If you decide to blog about your
experiences
> as you adjust to doing tasks with a different screen-reader, I'd be
> interested in following your adventures.
>
>
> Janet
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Tony C via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 4:04 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: makeing the switch
>
> Well, I guess I’ve fought it for as long as I can. I’ve refused for
> several years to consider switching to a Mac, but with the apparent
demise of
> Window Eyes, and Jaws sucking as it always has, I’m going to be
making the
> switch. I’ve been a loyal WE user since 2004, but it seems that it’s
time
> to teach an old dog new tricks. lol. I can take my I phone or my I
pad mini
> and have no problem using programs like Netflix, Slink, and other
websites
> using Voice Over, that WE and Jaws say hey can’t because the sites
aren’t
> accessible. I think I’ll keep one of my Windows PC’s with WE on it
just
> so I can look back and think of all the money I spent just to be
left with my
> thumb up my nose. When I think of the money I’ve spent maintaining a
screen
> reader, and now the built in screen reader with the IOS works great
with all
> those websites that were called by tech support for Jaws and window
eyes
> “inaccessible”.. I know I may catch some flack for this, but it’s
the
> truth none the less.I guess VFO thinks they’ve cornered the market
on
> Screen readers, but I refuse to do business with them, because of
who they
> are and who they are connected with. I started out with Windows 95
and JFW
> back in 1995, and I used Jaws up untill 2004 when a friend of mine
and myself
> started building a web site, he was a WE user and I a Jaws user. I
couldn’t
> do some of the thing with jaws and Freedom Scientific’s tech support
told
> me it was because the page builder I was usin was “inaccessible”,
but my
> buddy with Window eyes could do it. I started using WE to work on
the website
> and as I got used to it I began using is more and more for other
things. I
> found that WE worked “out of the box” with more programs than Jaws
did.
> So, in 2004 I became a Window eyes user. now I’m sad to say that the
same
> type of thing has happened, except this time is between Window eyes
Windows
> and Voice Over and Mac. I will be buying my first Mac in a couple of
months
> and telling WE and Windows goodby.
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