Hi Larry, I also just checked the version of TB and like you I am running the 32-bit version. So, for now, don't think that is your problem.
On 12/26/2018 4:02 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: > Well Bernie, what it does here is say inbox just fine when first > pressing the tab key, and if I'm lucky, it will let me tab down to the > contents, but soon after going there, things start to happen, (God > only knows what), and I have to wait from anywhere from three to five > minutes for things to settle down, then things are fine. > > > I'm not sure if I have the 32 bit version or 64, or if that would even > make a difference, but it really is a pain to have to keep it open > throughout the day, rather than going through all of that all over again. > > > OK, that was easy. Just checked the about dialog box, and I'm > apparently running the 32 bit version. Maybe I'll have to look at > upgrading to see if that would make a difference. Hopefully wont make > things even worse. > > > Oh well. > > > Thanks much, > > > Larry > > > > On 12/26/2018 1:17 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote: > >> Hi Larry, I do not have any ad ons so I don't have any suggestion >> regarding whether it would make a difference if they are removed or >> not. One thing I have noticed when starting Thunder bird,is that it >> often doesn't speak when the program is loaded but it is really there. >> One way I can check this is after starting it, I wait for about three >> seconds and then press the tab key and it usualy responds by saying "in >> box. Sorry I can't help more. Bernie >> >> On 12/26/2018 1:36 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: >>> Bernie, >>> >>> >>> Just wondering if you have any issues when starting Thunderbird. Here, >>> it takes an eternity to go through its paces and finally settle down. >>> I have been advised to remove all add-ons, but I only have one, and >>> that is spellcheck, which I had removed at one time, but no >>> difference. I couldn't do email if I didn't have spellchecker <smile>. >>> >>> >>> Maybe if I could remove all of the other features like chat, >>> newsgroups etc that might help, but I really can't figure out how to >>> do that, or even if it is possible. But there are sure lots of things >>> I'm sure I could do without, can't remember them all. Only need T-Bird >>> to read, write and send mail, nothing else. >>> >>> >>> Do you have any ideas? If so, I'm all ears <smile>. >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> >>> Larry >>> >>> >>> On 12/26/2018 10:43 AM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote: >>>> Hi Larry, Just this morning with reluctance, I decided to update >>>> Tbird >>>> to version 60. With the update installed, it is running fine on >>>> windows >>>> 1809 and the last version of WE. I have no problems either reading or >>>> composing messages. I have been reading messages on this list and >>>> have >>>> been trying to figure out what might be causing problems for Nick and >>>> others. I believe the problem might be coming from the WE >>>> setfiles. I >>>> will write to Nick to see if we can figure things out. >>>> >>>> On 12/21/2018 8:20 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: >>>>> It may be Nick that since I am still on 1803 that the problems just >>>>> haven't had an opportunity to present themselves. Are you on 1809? I >>>>> think I have those version numbers correct. Anyway no feature update >>>>> yet, most likely because I need to update my HD video card to a newer >>>>> model, but I'm not certain about that either. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sure hope your situation improves, and mine stays the same <smile>. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 12/21/2018 6:57 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote: >>>>>> I always assumed it was a WE issue only, but maybe Windows is a >>>>>> component of the problem? >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/21/2018 2:03 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: >>>>>>> I sure wish I knew just what I'm doing right. I'm just afraid I'll >>>>>>> wake >>>>>>> up with the same issue any day now. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Using Windows 10 and the final version of WE. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/21/2018 12:33 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote: >>>>>>>> I'm using Windows-8 and have exactly the same issues. I can't >>>>>>>> read my >>>>>>>> saved drafts either. As you would expect, I can read sent >>>>>>>> messages. >>>>>>>> Woah >>>>>>>> is I. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 12/21/2018 8:16 AM, David via Talk wrote: >>>>>>>>> Nice try, but in Thunderbird, even when writing this reply, it >>>>>>>>> does give >>>>>>>>> no result. That is, Ctrl-Insert-C, tells me: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> No Cursor Found. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I can write the message, and the speech will echo my typing. If i >>>>>>>>> Backspace, I can hear one character at a time, as they are >>>>>>>>> deleted. But >>>>>>>>> any use of the Arrows, or things like Ctrl-Home, Ctrl-End - >>>>>>>>> yields no >>>>>>>>> speech at all. That is even if the cursor actually moves. Have >>>>>>>>> tried the >>>>>>>>> Ctrl-S, for saving the message - like someone suggested. No help >>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>> either. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Strange why some reports they have no trouble with the newest >>>>>>>>> Thunderbird. Unless it has to do with the fact that I am still >>>>>>>>> running >>>>>>>>> under Win7, and likely will be for yet a while. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> David >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 12/21/2018 1:34 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Another thing you can try is Control+Insert+C. This makes >>>>>>>>>> Window-Eyes >>>>>>>>>> search for the cursor. It will usually say either "uses system >>>>>>>>>> cursor" >>>>>>>>>> or "no cursor found." >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> Tom >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 12/21/2018 4:19 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Bob, yeah, similar issues - fortunately my Thunderbird >>>>>>>>>>> contains >>>>>>>>>>> spell check (I thinkit's Thunderbird which provides the spell >>>>>>>>>>> check, but >>>>>>>>>>> who knows). What stinks is, if I leave the composing window, I >>>>>>>>>>> won't >>>>>>>>>>> know where I am in the e-mail. I have to assume the cursor is >>>>>>>>>>> where I >>>>>>>>>>> left it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/2018 9:38 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Nick, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I am using windows 10, win-eyes 9.5.4., and WLM. The same >>>>>>>>>>>> thing >>>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>>>> happening to me. It didn't used to do this. It started >>>>>>>>>>>> happening >>>>>>>>>>>> all of >>>>>>>>>>>> a sudden for no apparent reason. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If I bring up WLM, I can write an email and see what I am >>>>>>>>>>>> writing. >>>>>>>>>>>> after >>>>>>>>>>>> that, while writing the 2nd email, I can't see or hear what >>>>>>>>>>>> I am >>>>>>>>>>>> writing. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have to close WLM and thenn open it. Then I can see what >>>>>>>>>>>> I am >>>>>>>>>>>> writing. >>>>>>>>>>>> But again, only the first email. Then have to close and >>>>>>>>>>>> re-open >>>>>>>>>>>> WLM >>>>>>>>>>>> again. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -Bob >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Nick Sarames via Talk >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 5:44 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Nick Sarames >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mail Client >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If anyone has a solution to the arrow problem I have, you are >>>>>>>>>>>> welcome to >>>>>>>>>>>> e-mail me privately: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> nicksara...@msn.com >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> When I am composing a message, I am unable to read what I have >>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>> written. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/2018 9:01 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure just how much I've ultimately got to add here, >>>>>>>>>>>>> but I >>>>>>>>>>>>> must >>>>>>>>>>>>> at least say this. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> My version of Thunderbird updated on me without either >>>>>>>>>>>>> permission or >>>>>>>>>>>>> encouragement. Naturally I did a double-take and hoped and >>>>>>>>>>>>> prayed >>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>> my ability to edit would continue, and with my good luck or >>>>>>>>>>>>> divine >>>>>>>>>>>>> intervention, it continued to function as it should. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> One thing that really annoys me is that every time I go to >>>>>>>>>>>>> open >>>>>>>>>>>>> up the >>>>>>>>>>>>> program, it takes an eternity to load and otherwise settle >>>>>>>>>>>>> down. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I was >>>>>>>>>>>>> told that I should remove all add ons, but the only one I >>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>> is the >>>>>>>>>>>>> spellchecker, and removing that didn't help either, but I >>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't >>>>>>>>>>>>> going >>>>>>>>>>>>> to go without that one anyway. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I said all that only to say that I haven't encountered the >>>>>>>>>>>>> editing >>>>>>>>>>>>> problem at all, up to this point anyway - knock on wood. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/2018 6:15 AM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On this Windows 7 machine I am still using Windows Live Mail >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2012. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not sure where you can get it. You would need the SET files >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> apps >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that GW developed for it. It has its quirks, but works well >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You may want to work with Thunderbird and NVDA, but I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have no >>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience with that combination. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lras.home.sprynet.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: David via Talk >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 3:02 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: WE English Mailinglist >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: David >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Mail Client >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Listers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could need a bit of info here. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As you know, the latest updates to Thunderbird, have broken >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> accessibility when writing new messages, as well as replying >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to any >>>>>>>>>>>>>> message received. Seeing how they slowly broke down any >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cooperation with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> WE in Firefox, I do take the guess, this is just the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> beginning >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> end for our ability to use Thunderbird along with WinEyes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cling to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> my WinEyes, among other things, due to the fact that it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the only >>>>>>>>>>>>>> screen reader that to a certain extent works with some >>>>>>>>>>>>>> websites >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am >>>>>>>>>>>>>> relying on. Like for instance our local grocery store, where >>>>>>>>>>>>>> neither >>>>>>>>>>>>>> NVDA or Jaws will let me do my shopping properly. Only good >>>>>>>>>>>>>> old >>>>>>>>>>>>>> WinEyes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, I want to have a backup for my mailing activity, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the day >>>>>>>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mozilla finally pulls the plug for WinEyes and Thunderbird. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What >>>>>>>>>>>>>> alternatives do we have, now adays? I know some of you have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Becky. Is that the only one? Outlook, OK, but that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> demands me >>>>>>>>>>>>>> running >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Office - and does it work with all versions of office? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Should I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to go for things like Becky, will there be a steep learning >>>>>>>>>>>>>> curve? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And >>>>>>>>>>>>>> will there be any particular settings or twixings to be done >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in my >>>>>>>>>>>>>> screen reader? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any feedback you might have, I am open ears. If you have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>>>>>> idea >>>>>>>>>>>>>> as to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the functionality with any of the other screen readers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> along >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> given mail client, I want to know your experiences. Would be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> great, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> could I find a mail client, which worked with whichever >>>>>>>>>>>>>> screen >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reader i >>>>>>>>>>>>>> happen to have up running at any time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, and two more questions: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where to get the client you might suggest? And is it for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> free, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Annual >>>>>>>>>>>>>> payment, or Lifetime priced? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks alot, all of you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely >>>>>>>>>>>>> those of >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> For membership options, visit >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksarames%40msn.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> For subscription options, visit >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> List archives can be found at >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>>>>>>>>>>> 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