Hi Larry, Just this morning with reluctance, I decided to update Tbird to version 60. With the update installed, it is running fine on windows 1809 and the last version of WE. I have no problems either reading or composing messages. I have been reading messages on this list and have been trying to figure out what might be causing problems for Nick and others. I believe the problem might be coming from the WE setfiles. I will write to Nick to see if we can figure things out.
On 12/21/2018 8:20 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: > It may be Nick that since I am still on 1803 that the problems just > haven't had an opportunity to present themselves. Are you on 1809? I > think I have those version numbers correct. Anyway no feature update > yet, most likely because I need to update my HD video card to a newer > model, but I'm not certain about that either. > > > Sure hope your situation improves, and mine stays the same <smile>. > > > > > On 12/21/2018 6:57 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote: >> I always assumed it was a WE issue only, but maybe Windows is a >> component of the problem? >> >> On 12/21/2018 2:03 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: >>> I sure wish I knew just what I'm doing right. I'm just afraid I'll >>> wake >>> up with the same issue any day now. >>> >>> >>> Using Windows 10 and the final version of WE. >>> >>> On 12/21/2018 12:33 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote: >>>> I'm using Windows-8 and have exactly the same issues. I can't read my >>>> saved drafts either. As you would expect, I can read sent messages. >>>> Woah >>>> is I. >>>> >>>> On 12/21/2018 8:16 AM, David via Talk wrote: >>>>> Nice try, but in Thunderbird, even when writing this reply, it >>>>> does give >>>>> no result. That is, Ctrl-Insert-C, tells me: >>>>> >>>>> No Cursor Found. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I can write the message, and the speech will echo my typing. If i >>>>> Backspace, I can hear one character at a time, as they are >>>>> deleted. But >>>>> any use of the Arrows, or things like Ctrl-Home, Ctrl-End - yields no >>>>> speech at all. That is even if the cursor actually moves. Have >>>>> tried the >>>>> Ctrl-S, for saving the message - like someone suggested. No help >>>>> there >>>>> either. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Strange why some reports they have no trouble with the newest >>>>> Thunderbird. Unless it has to do with the fact that I am still >>>>> running >>>>> under Win7, and likely will be for yet a while. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> David >>>>> >>>>> On 12/21/2018 1:34 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: >>>>>> Another thing you can try is Control+Insert+C. This makes >>>>>> Window-Eyes >>>>>> search for the cursor. It will usually say either "uses system >>>>>> cursor" >>>>>> or "no cursor found." >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Tom >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/21/2018 4:19 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote: >>>>>>> Thanks Bob, yeah, similar issues - fortunately my Thunderbird >>>>>>> contains >>>>>>> spell check (I thinkit's Thunderbird which provides the spell >>>>>>> check, but >>>>>>> who knows). What stinks is, if I leave the composing window, I >>>>>>> won't >>>>>>> know where I am in the e-mail. I have to assume the cursor is >>>>>>> where I >>>>>>> left it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/20/2018 9:38 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote: >>>>>>>> Nick, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am using windows 10, win-eyes 9.5.4., and WLM. The same thing >>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>> happening to me. It didn't used to do this. It started happening >>>>>>>> all of >>>>>>>> a sudden for no apparent reason. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If I bring up WLM, I can write an email and see what I am writing. >>>>>>>> after >>>>>>>> that, while writing the 2nd email, I can't see or hear what I am >>>>>>>> writing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have to close WLM and thenn open it. Then I can see what I am >>>>>>>> writing. >>>>>>>> But again, only the first email. Then have to close and re-open >>>>>>>> WLM >>>>>>>> again. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Bob >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Nick Sarames via Talk >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 5:44 PM >>>>>>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >>>>>>>> Cc: Nick Sarames >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mail Client >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If anyone has a solution to the arrow problem I have, you are >>>>>>>> welcome to >>>>>>>> e-mail me privately: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> nicksara...@msn.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When I am composing a message, I am unable to read what I have >>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>> written. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 12/20/2018 9:01 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: >>>>>>>>> I'm not sure just how much I've ultimately got to add here, but I >>>>>>>>> must >>>>>>>>> at least say this. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My version of Thunderbird updated on me without either >>>>>>>>> permission or >>>>>>>>> encouragement. Naturally I did a double-take and hoped and prayed >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> my ability to edit would continue, and with my good luck or >>>>>>>>> divine >>>>>>>>> intervention, it continued to function as it should. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> One thing that really annoys me is that every time I go to open >>>>>>>>> up the >>>>>>>>> program, it takes an eternity to load and otherwise settle down. >>>>>>>>> I was >>>>>>>>> told that I should remove all add ons, but the only one I have >>>>>>>>> is the >>>>>>>>> spellchecker, and removing that didn't help either, but I wasn't >>>>>>>>> going >>>>>>>>> to go without that one anyway. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I said all that only to say that I haven't encountered the >>>>>>>>> editing >>>>>>>>> problem at all, up to this point anyway - knock on wood. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 12/20/2018 6:15 AM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On this Windows 7 machine I am still using Windows Live Mail >>>>>>>>>> 2012. >>>>>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>>>>> not sure where you can get it. You would need the SET files and >>>>>>>>>> apps >>>>>>>>>> that GW developed for it. It has its quirks, but works well >>>>>>>>>> for me. >>>>>>>>>> You may want to work with Thunderbird and NVDA, but I have no >>>>>>>>>> experience with that combination. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD >>>>>>>>>> http://lras.home.sprynet.com >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: David via Talk >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 3:02 AM >>>>>>>>>> To: WE English Mailinglist >>>>>>>>>> Cc: David >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Mail Client >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Listers, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Could need a bit of info here. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As you know, the latest updates to Thunderbird, have broken the >>>>>>>>>> accessibility when writing new messages, as well as replying >>>>>>>>>> to any >>>>>>>>>> message received. Seeing how they slowly broke down any >>>>>>>>>> cooperation with >>>>>>>>>> WE in Firefox, I do take the guess, this is just the beginning >>>>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>>>> end for our ability to use Thunderbird along with WinEyes. I do >>>>>>>>>> cling to >>>>>>>>>> my WinEyes, among other things, due to the fact that it is >>>>>>>>>> the only >>>>>>>>>> screen reader that to a certain extent works with some websites >>>>>>>>>> I am >>>>>>>>>> relying on. Like for instance our local grocery store, where >>>>>>>>>> neither >>>>>>>>>> NVDA or Jaws will let me do my shopping properly. Only good old >>>>>>>>>> WinEyes. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Anyway, I want to have a backup for my mailing activity, the day >>>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>>> Mozilla finally pulls the plug for WinEyes and Thunderbird. What >>>>>>>>>> alternatives do we have, now adays? I know some of you have >>>>>>>>>> mentioned >>>>>>>>>> Becky. Is that the only one? Outlook, OK, but that demands me >>>>>>>>>> running >>>>>>>>>> Office - and does it work with all versions of office? Should I >>>>>>>>>> decide >>>>>>>>>> to go for things like Becky, will there be a steep learning >>>>>>>>>> curve? >>>>>>>>>> And >>>>>>>>>> will there be any particular settings or twixings to be done >>>>>>>>>> in my >>>>>>>>>> screen reader? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Any feedback you might have, I am open ears. If you have some >>>>>>>>>> idea >>>>>>>>>> as to >>>>>>>>>> the functionality with any of the other screen readers, along >>>>>>>>>> with a >>>>>>>>>> given mail client, I want to know your experiences. Would be >>>>>>>>>> great, >>>>>>>>>> could I find a mail client, which worked with whichever screen >>>>>>>>>> reader i >>>>>>>>>> happen to have up running at any time. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Oh, and two more questions: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Where to get the client you might suggest? 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