I always assumed it was a WE issue only, but maybe Windows is a component of the problem?
On 12/21/2018 2:03 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: > I sure wish I knew just what I'm doing right. I'm just afraid I'll wake > up with the same issue any day now. > > > Using Windows 10 and the final version of WE. > > On 12/21/2018 12:33 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote: >> I'm using Windows-8 and have exactly the same issues. I can't read my >> saved drafts either. As you would expect, I can read sent messages. Woah >> is I. >> >> On 12/21/2018 8:16 AM, David via Talk wrote: >>> Nice try, but in Thunderbird, even when writing this reply, it does give >>> no result. That is, Ctrl-Insert-C, tells me: >>> >>> No Cursor Found. >>> >>> >>> I can write the message, and the speech will echo my typing. If i >>> Backspace, I can hear one character at a time, as they are deleted. But >>> any use of the Arrows, or things like Ctrl-Home, Ctrl-End - yields no >>> speech at all. That is even if the cursor actually moves. Have tried the >>> Ctrl-S, for saving the message - like someone suggested. No help there >>> either. >>> >>> >>> Strange why some reports they have no trouble with the newest >>> Thunderbird. Unless it has to do with the fact that I am still running >>> under Win7, and likely will be for yet a while. >>> >>> >>> >>> David >>> >>> On 12/21/2018 1:34 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: >>>> Another thing you can try is Control+Insert+C. This makes Window-Eyes >>>> search for the cursor. It will usually say either "uses system cursor" >>>> or "no cursor found." >>>> Regards, >>>> Tom >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12/21/2018 4:19 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote: >>>>> Thanks Bob, yeah, similar issues - fortunately my Thunderbird contains >>>>> spell check (I thinkit's Thunderbird which provides the spell >>>>> check, but >>>>> who knows). What stinks is, if I leave the composing window, I won't >>>>> know where I am in the e-mail. I have to assume the cursor is where I >>>>> left it. >>>>> >>>>> On 12/20/2018 9:38 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote: >>>>>> Nick, >>>>>> >>>>>> I am using windows 10, win-eyes 9.5.4., and WLM. The same thing has >>>>>> been >>>>>> happening to me. It didn't used to do this. It started happening >>>>>> all of >>>>>> a sudden for no apparent reason. >>>>>> >>>>>> If I bring up WLM, I can write an email and see what I am writing. >>>>>> after >>>>>> that, while writing the 2nd email, I can't see or hear what I am >>>>>> writing. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have to close WLM and thenn open it. Then I can see what I am >>>>>> writing. >>>>>> But again, only the first email. Then have to close and re-open WLM >>>>>> again. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Bob >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Nick Sarames via Talk >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 5:44 PM >>>>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >>>>>> Cc: Nick Sarames >>>>>> Subject: Re: Mail Client >>>>>> >>>>>> If anyone has a solution to the arrow problem I have, you are >>>>>> welcome to >>>>>> e-mail me privately: >>>>>> >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> When I am composing a message, I am unable to read what I have just >>>>>> written. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/20/2018 9:01 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: >>>>>>> I'm not sure just how much I've ultimately got to add here, but I >>>>>>> must >>>>>>> at least say this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My version of Thunderbird updated on me without either permission or >>>>>>> encouragement. Naturally I did a double-take and hoped and prayed >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> my ability to edit would continue, and with my good luck or divine >>>>>>> intervention, it continued to function as it should. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One thing that really annoys me is that every time I go to open >>>>>>> up the >>>>>>> program, it takes an eternity to load and otherwise settle down. >>>>>>> I was >>>>>>> told that I should remove all add ons, but the only one I have >>>>>>> is the >>>>>>> spellchecker, and removing that didn't help either, but I wasn't >>>>>>> going >>>>>>> to go without that one anyway. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I said all that only to say that I haven't encountered the editing >>>>>>> problem at all, up to this point anyway - knock on wood. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/20/2018 6:15 AM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote: >>>>>>>> On this Windows 7 machine I am still using Windows Live Mail 2012. >>>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>>> not sure where you can get it. You would need the SET files and >>>>>>>> apps >>>>>>>> that GW developed for it. It has its quirks, but works well for me. >>>>>>>> You may want to work with Thunderbird and NVDA, but I have no >>>>>>>> experience with that combination. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD >>>>>>>> http://lras.home.sprynet.com >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: David via Talk >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 3:02 AM >>>>>>>> To: WE English Mailinglist >>>>>>>> Cc: David >>>>>>>> Subject: Mail Client >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Listers, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Could need a bit of info here. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As you know, the latest updates to Thunderbird, have broken the >>>>>>>> accessibility when writing new messages, as well as replying to any >>>>>>>> message received. Seeing how they slowly broke down any >>>>>>>> cooperation with >>>>>>>> WE in Firefox, I do take the guess, this is just the beginning >>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>> end for our ability to use Thunderbird along with WinEyes. I do >>>>>>>> cling to >>>>>>>> my WinEyes, among other things, due to the fact that it is the only >>>>>>>> screen reader that to a certain extent works with some websites >>>>>>>> I am >>>>>>>> relying on. Like for instance our local grocery store, where >>>>>>>> neither >>>>>>>> NVDA or Jaws will let me do my shopping properly. Only good old >>>>>>>> WinEyes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anyway, I want to have a backup for my mailing activity, the day >>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>> Mozilla finally pulls the plug for WinEyes and Thunderbird. What >>>>>>>> alternatives do we have, now adays? I know some of you have >>>>>>>> mentioned >>>>>>>> Becky. Is that the only one? Outlook, OK, but that demands me >>>>>>>> running >>>>>>>> Office - and does it work with all versions of office? Should I >>>>>>>> decide >>>>>>>> to go for things like Becky, will there be a steep learning curve? >>>>>>>> And >>>>>>>> will there be any particular settings or twixings to be done in my >>>>>>>> screen reader? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Any feedback you might have, I am open ears. If you have some idea >>>>>>>> as to >>>>>>>> the functionality with any of the other screen readers, along >>>>>>>> with a >>>>>>>> given mail client, I want to know your experiences. Would be great, >>>>>>>> could I find a mail client, which worked with whichever screen >>>>>>>> reader i >>>>>>>> happen to have up running at any time. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Oh, and two more questions: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Where to get the client you might suggest? And is it for free, >>>>>>>> Annual >>>>>>>> payment, or Lifetime priced? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks alot, all of you. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For membership options, visit >>>>>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksarames%40msn.com. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For subscription options, visit >>>>>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>>>>>> List archives can be found at >>>>>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >>>>>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>>>>> >>>>>> For membership options, visit >>>>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rs%40ringwald.com. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> For subscription options, visit >>>>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>>>>> List archives can be found at >>>>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >>>>>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>>>>> >>>>>> For membership options, visit >>>>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksarames%40msn.com. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> For subscription options, visit >>>>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>>>>> List archives can be found at >>>>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >>>>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>>>> >>>>> For membership options, visit >>>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tom.kingston%40charter.net. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> For subscription options, visit >>>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>>>> List archives can be found at >>>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >>>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>>> >>>> For membership options, visit >>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/trailerdavid%40hotmail.com. >>>> >>>> >>>> For subscription options, visit >>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>>> List archives can be found at >>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>> For membership options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksarames%40msn.com. >>> >>> >>> For subscription options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> List archives can be found at >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/larryhiggins22%40comcast.net. >> >> >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > _______________________________________________ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksarames%40msn.com. > > > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com _______________________________________________ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. 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