Thanks Bernie (looking forward to your observations) - sure seems like Windows may be part of the issue, regardless of how little that makes sense to me. But I've come to learn, when you have lots of software, things happen.
On 12/26/2018 11:43 AM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote: > Hi Larry, Just this morning with reluctance, I decided to update Tbird > to version 60. With the update installed, it is running fine on windows > 1809 and the last version of WE. I have no problems either reading or > composing messages. I have been reading messages on this list and have > been trying to figure out what might be causing problems for Nick and > others. I believe the problem might be coming from the WE setfiles. I > will write to Nick to see if we can figure things out. > > On 12/21/2018 8:20 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: >> It may be Nick that since I am still on 1803 that the problems just >> haven't had an opportunity to present themselves. Are you on 1809? I >> think I have those version numbers correct. Anyway no feature update >> yet, most likely because I need to update my HD video card to a newer >> model, but I'm not certain about that either. >> >> >> Sure hope your situation improves, and mine stays the same <smile>. >> >> >> >> >> On 12/21/2018 6:57 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote: >>> I always assumed it was a WE issue only, but maybe Windows is a >>> component of the problem? >>> >>> On 12/21/2018 2:03 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: >>>> I sure wish I knew just what I'm doing right. I'm just afraid I'll >>>> wake >>>> up with the same issue any day now. >>>> >>>> >>>> Using Windows 10 and the final version of WE. >>>> >>>> On 12/21/2018 12:33 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote: >>>>> I'm using Windows-8 and have exactly the same issues. I can't read my >>>>> saved drafts either. As you would expect, I can read sent messages. >>>>> Woah >>>>> is I. >>>>> >>>>> On 12/21/2018 8:16 AM, David via Talk wrote: >>>>>> Nice try, but in Thunderbird, even when writing this reply, it >>>>>> does give >>>>>> no result. That is, Ctrl-Insert-C, tells me: >>>>>> >>>>>> No Cursor Found. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I can write the message, and the speech will echo my typing. If i >>>>>> Backspace, I can hear one character at a time, as they are >>>>>> deleted. But >>>>>> any use of the Arrows, or things like Ctrl-Home, Ctrl-End - yields no >>>>>> speech at all. That is even if the cursor actually moves. Have >>>>>> tried the >>>>>> Ctrl-S, for saving the message - like someone suggested. No help >>>>>> there >>>>>> either. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Strange why some reports they have no trouble with the newest >>>>>> Thunderbird. Unless it has to do with the fact that I am still >>>>>> running >>>>>> under Win7, and likely will be for yet a while. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> David >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/21/2018 1:34 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: >>>>>>> Another thing you can try is Control+Insert+C. This makes >>>>>>> Window-Eyes >>>>>>> search for the cursor. It will usually say either "uses system >>>>>>> cursor" >>>>>>> or "no cursor found." >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Tom >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/21/2018 4:19 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote: >>>>>>>> Thanks Bob, yeah, similar issues - fortunately my Thunderbird >>>>>>>> contains >>>>>>>> spell check (I thinkit's Thunderbird which provides the spell >>>>>>>> check, but >>>>>>>> who knows). What stinks is, if I leave the composing window, I >>>>>>>> won't >>>>>>>> know where I am in the e-mail. I have to assume the cursor is >>>>>>>> where I >>>>>>>> left it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 12/20/2018 9:38 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote: >>>>>>>>> Nick, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am using windows 10, win-eyes 9.5.4., and WLM. The same thing >>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>> happening to me. It didn't used to do this. It started happening >>>>>>>>> all of >>>>>>>>> a sudden for no apparent reason. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If I bring up WLM, I can write an email and see what I am writing. >>>>>>>>> after >>>>>>>>> that, while writing the 2nd email, I can't see or hear what I am >>>>>>>>> writing. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have to close WLM and thenn open it. Then I can see what I am >>>>>>>>> writing. >>>>>>>>> But again, only the first email. Then have to close and re-open >>>>>>>>> WLM >>>>>>>>> again. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -Bob >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Nick Sarames via Talk >>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 5:44 PM >>>>>>>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >>>>>>>>> Cc: Nick Sarames >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mail Client >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If anyone has a solution to the arrow problem I have, you are >>>>>>>>> welcome to >>>>>>>>> e-mail me privately: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> When I am composing a message, I am unable to read what I have >>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>> written. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 12/20/2018 9:01 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure just how much I've ultimately got to add here, but I >>>>>>>>>> must >>>>>>>>>> at least say this. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My version of Thunderbird updated on me without either >>>>>>>>>> permission or >>>>>>>>>> encouragement. Naturally I did a double-take and hoped and prayed >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> my ability to edit would continue, and with my good luck or >>>>>>>>>> divine >>>>>>>>>> intervention, it continued to function as it should. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> One thing that really annoys me is that every time I go to open >>>>>>>>>> up the >>>>>>>>>> program, it takes an eternity to load and otherwise settle down. >>>>>>>>>> I was >>>>>>>>>> told that I should remove all add ons, but the only one I have >>>>>>>>>> is the >>>>>>>>>> spellchecker, and removing that didn't help either, but I wasn't >>>>>>>>>> going >>>>>>>>>> to go without that one anyway. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I said all that only to say that I haven't encountered the >>>>>>>>>> editing >>>>>>>>>> problem at all, up to this point anyway - knock on wood. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/2018 6:15 AM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On this Windows 7 machine I am still using Windows Live Mail >>>>>>>>>>> 2012. >>>>>>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>>>>>> not sure where you can get it. You would need the SET files and >>>>>>>>>>> apps >>>>>>>>>>> that GW developed for it. It has its quirks, but works well >>>>>>>>>>> for me. >>>>>>>>>>> You may want to work with Thunderbird and NVDA, but I have no >>>>>>>>>>> experience with that combination. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD >>>>>>>>>>> http://lras.home.sprynet.com >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: David via Talk >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 3:02 AM >>>>>>>>>>> To: WE English Mailinglist >>>>>>>>>>> Cc: David >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Mail Client >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Listers, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Could need a bit of info here. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As you know, the latest updates to Thunderbird, have broken the >>>>>>>>>>> accessibility when writing new messages, as well as replying >>>>>>>>>>> to any >>>>>>>>>>> message received. Seeing how they slowly broke down any >>>>>>>>>>> cooperation with >>>>>>>>>>> WE in Firefox, I do take the guess, this is just the beginning >>>>>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>>>>> end for our ability to use Thunderbird along with WinEyes. I do >>>>>>>>>>> cling to >>>>>>>>>>> my WinEyes, among other things, due to the fact that it is >>>>>>>>>>> the only >>>>>>>>>>> screen reader that to a certain extent works with some websites >>>>>>>>>>> I am >>>>>>>>>>> relying on. Like for instance our local grocery store, where >>>>>>>>>>> neither >>>>>>>>>>> NVDA or Jaws will let me do my shopping properly. Only good old >>>>>>>>>>> WinEyes. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, I want to have a backup for my mailing activity, the day >>>>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>>>> Mozilla finally pulls the plug for WinEyes and Thunderbird. What >>>>>>>>>>> alternatives do we have, now adays? I know some of you have >>>>>>>>>>> mentioned >>>>>>>>>>> Becky. Is that the only one? Outlook, OK, but that demands me >>>>>>>>>>> running >>>>>>>>>>> Office - and does it work with all versions of office? Should I >>>>>>>>>>> decide >>>>>>>>>>> to go for things like Becky, will there be a steep learning >>>>>>>>>>> curve? >>>>>>>>>>> And >>>>>>>>>>> will there be any particular settings or twixings to be done >>>>>>>>>>> in my >>>>>>>>>>> screen reader? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Any feedback you might have, I am open ears. If you have some >>>>>>>>>>> idea >>>>>>>>>>> as to >>>>>>>>>>> the functionality with any of the other screen readers, along >>>>>>>>>>> with a >>>>>>>>>>> given mail client, I want to know your experiences. Would be >>>>>>>>>>> great, >>>>>>>>>>> could I find a mail client, which worked with whichever screen >>>>>>>>>>> reader i >>>>>>>>>>> happen to have up running at any time. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Oh, and two more questions: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Where to get the client you might suggest? 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