While this conversation seems to have taken a personal turn, I'll just say that if you're playing music for anyone other than yourself then ultimately someone will manage to get under your skin. Keep it true to you and enjoy the music you play and the audience will follow.
M On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Trey Young <email_t...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Fair enough, tis alot of grey area in music. I guess as musicians (both > professionals and mere serious hobbyists like myself) one can only do what > feels/is right to them at that point in time and hope that someone else digs > it and have tough enough skin for those who don't. > Trey > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Dasspunk <dassp...@gmail.com> > *To:* Taterbugmando <taterbugmando@googlegroups.com> > *Sent:* Tue, January 5, 2010 2:11:51 PM > *Subject:* Re: Old Daingerfield > > Hey Trey, > > Maybe it is harsh... it doesn't seem so to me because it's just my own > opinion and worth only that. But I didn't mean to single these folks > out necessarily either... they are fine musicians and there's some > reasonable playing in there. I was really talking in generalities. > > Truthfully, my comment was partially fueled by a VERY similar > phenomenon in the basketball world that I was discussing this morning > (bare with me). On my beloved Bulls, we have a forward--we'll call him > Tyrus-- that is, as they say, a freakish athlete. The dude can jump > out of the gym, is 6'9, 235 and has more pure talent than anyone on > the team. He has all the tools to do anything he wants in the game. > Problem is, for every amazing thing he does on the court, he does two > completely stupid things which hurt the team. So the coach benches him > and plays a less talented guy that plays smarter. > > Long story slightly longer, I love basketball because if you don't > play right, you sit. Always. It doesn't matter how great an athlete > you are if your team don't win. There's no grey area there... it's as > close to an absolute as I've found. > > Unfortunately, this is not the case with music and everything is a > shade of grey. But not in my mind and not in my opinion :) I keep > score and call it like I see it. World beware! > > Brian > > > On Jan 5, 10:48 am, Trey Young <email_t...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Seems pretty harsh to suggest these guys don't know how to play just > because their music doesn't move you. I'm not particularly moved by this > performance either, other to notice that both of these guys have chops way > beyond what I can ever hope for, but I mean hey they may have really gotten > to somebody and sparked something that music hasn't ever hit before. > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Dasspunk <dassp...@gmail.com> > > To: Taterbugmando <taterbugmando@googlegroups.com> > > Sent: Tue, January 5, 2010 8:34:56 AM > > Subject: Re: Old Daingerfield > > > > Agreed. > > > > I usually look the other way when talented kids use a good tune as a > > springboard to launch a flurry of self gratifying notes without regard > > for their need or appropriateness within the tune. It's an extremely > > common phenomenon that I call this --pardon the term-- musical > > masturbation. I look the other way because they're kids after all and > > it often takes a bit of age to go from being *able* to play really > > well, to actually knowing *how* to play. > > > > Unfortunately, I could probably guess who some of their teachers have > > been and some, though they've not been kids for 30-40+ years, condone > > and practice musical masturbation regularly. > > > > I don't mean to pick on the kids but I would like to see this cycle > > discontinued. The truth is I'm selfishly desperate for it to change > > because I want to hear some new, truly great music and settling for > > circus antics and musical masturbation is robbing me of the chance. I > > would challenge these immensely talented kids to dig deeper and really > > learn how to play. > > > > Brian > > > > On Jan 3, 6:49 pm, Mark Seale <mark.se...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > No doubt all great players. But, if I walked into the room while > Joliff was > > > playing the first tune on this clip, I would not have known it was > > > Mississippi Waltz, and I play the tune! And on Old Daingerfield with > Alex, > > > again really done well, but why the need to separate the 3rd part? > Because > > > you can agree to do it? It didn't add anything to what is a great > tune. I > > > enjoyed a lot of the tune development within the tune, but to me it > just got > > > disjointed by creating that space. But, that's just me... :) > > > > > Mark > > > > > On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Trey Young <email_t...@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwALaWvTWKQ > > > > > > here is one such clip > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > *From:* Trey Young <email_t...@yahoo.com> > > > > *To:* taterbugmando@googlegroups.com > > > > *Sent:* Sun, January 3, 2010 11:50:57 AM > > > > *Subject:* Re: Old Daingerfield > > > > > > there are some good clips of Jake Joliff playing with John McGann on > the > > > > youtube... > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > *From:* "mandoho...@comcast.net" <mandoho...@comcast.net> > > > > *To:* taterbugmando@googlegroups.com > > > > *Sent:* Sun, January 3, 2010 11:33:27 AM > > > > *Subject:* Re: Old Daingerfield > > > > > > Jake Jolliff is the mandolin player, he is from Newberg, Oregon. > Jake is a > > > > Junior at Berklee, lives now in Boston. > > > > He plays in "Joy Kills Sorrow" with bunch of young musical > terrorists, all > > > > very good, but the language is not > > > > familiar to me. I know, I'm old. Alex is a junior in high school > from > > > > Corvalis, Oregon. The poor kid doesn't even have a band > > > > of his own, has to be content to play with Grisman and just finished > a > > > > nation-wide tour with the Jerry Douglas band' I just > > > > hope he finds some success before he gets out of high school. > > > > > > Clyde Clevenger > > > > Just My Opinion, But It's Right > > > > Salem, Oregon > > > > Old Circle <http://www.myspace.com/oldcircle> > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Terry Harvey" <terwaha...@gmail.com> > > > > To: taterbugmando@googlegroups.com > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2010 7:53:39 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > > > > Subject: Re: Old Daingerfield > > > > > > We just saw Alex H. (the fiddler) with the David Grisman Quintet @ > The > > > > Freight & Salvage in Beserkely on Dec 26th. > > > > That kid can bow a fiddle!! Who's the mando wunderkind? > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 6:27 AM, Bill Burnette <bburne...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > >> Very impressive. > > > > > >> Bill in Nashville > > > > > >> On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 4:30 AM, <mandoho...@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > >>> This ain't exactly like Tater or Bill would have played this, but > it > > > >>> was fun to see tonight. > > > > > >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMMK3QI4VHg > > > > > >>> Clyde Clevenger > > > >>> Just My Opinion, But It's Right > > > >>> Salem, Oregon > > > >>> Old Circle <http://www.myspace.com/oldcircle> > > > > > >>> -- > > > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > >>> "Taterbugmando" group. > > > >>> To post to this group, send email to > taterbugma...@googlegroups.com. > > > >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > >>> taterbugmando+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <taterbugmando%2bunsubscr...@goog legroups.com> > > > >>> . > > > >>> For more options, visit this group at > > > >>>http://groups.google.com/group/taterbugmando?hl=en. > > > > > >> -- > > > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > >> "Taterbugmando" group. > > > >> To post to this group, send email to taterbugmando@googlegroups.com > . > > > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > >> taterbugmando+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <taterbugmando%2bunsubscr...@goog legroups.com> > > > >> . > > > >> For more options, visit this group at > > > >>http://groups.google.com/group/taterbugmando?hl=en. > > > > > > -- > > > > "Its never too late to be what we might have been" > > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > > "Taterbugmando" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to taterbugma...@googlegroups.com. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > taterbugmando+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <taterbugmando%2bunsubscr...@goog legroups.com> > > > > . > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/taterbugmando?hl=en. > > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > > "Taterbugmando" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to taterbugma...@googlegroups.com. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > taterbugmando+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <taterbugmando%2bunsubscr...@goog legroups.com> > > > > . > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/taterbugmando?hl=en. > > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > > "Taterbugmando" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to taterbugma...@googlegroups.com. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > taterbugmando+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <taterbugmando%2bunsubscr...@goog legroups.com> > > > > . > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/taterbugmando?hl=en. > > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > > "Taterbugmando" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to taterbugma...@googlegroups.com. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > taterbugmando+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <taterbugmando%2bunsubscr...@goog legroups.com> > > > > . > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/taterbugmando?hl=en. > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Taterbugmando" group. > > To post to this group, send email to taterbugma...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to taterbugmando+ > unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/taterbugmando?hl=en. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Taterbugmando" group. > To post to this group, send email to taterbugma...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to taterbugmando+ > unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/taterbugmando?hl=en. > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Taterbugmando" group. > To post to this group, send email to taterbugma...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > taterbugmando+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<taterbugmando%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/taterbugmando?hl=en. > >--
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