Mark, Point taken and acknowledged. I couldn't agree more. TBug On Jan 5, 1:59 pm, Mark Seale <[email protected]> wrote: > While this conversation seems to have taken a personal turn, I'll just say > that if you're playing music for anyone other than yourself then ultimately > someone will manage to get under your skin. Keep it true to you and enjoy > the music you play and the audience will follow. > > M > > On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Trey Young <[email protected]> wrote: > > Fair enough, tis alot of grey area in music. I guess as musicians (both > > professionals and mere serious hobbyists like myself) one can only do what > > feels/is right to them at that point in time and hope that someone else digs > > it and have tough enough skin for those who don't. > > Trey > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Dasspunk <[email protected]> > > *To:* Taterbugmando <[email protected]> > > *Sent:* Tue, January 5, 2010 2:11:51 PM > > *Subject:* Re: Old Daingerfield > > > Hey Trey, > > > Maybe it is harsh... it doesn't seem so to me because it's just my own > > opinion and worth only that. But I didn't mean to single these folks > > out necessarily either... they are fine musicians and there's some > > reasonable playing in there. I was really talking in generalities. > > > Truthfully, my comment was partially fueled by a VERY similar > > phenomenon in the basketball world that I was discussing this morning > > (bare with me). On my beloved Bulls, we have a forward--we'll call him > > Tyrus-- that is, as they say, a freakish athlete. The dude can jump > > out of the gym, is 6'9, 235 and has more pure talent than anyone on > > the team. He has all the tools to do anything he wants in the game. > > Problem is, for every amazing thing he does on the court, he does two > > completely stupid things which hurt the team. So the coach benches him > > and plays a less talented guy that plays smarter. > > > Long story slightly longer, I love basketball because if you don't > > play right, you sit. Always. It doesn't matter how great an athlete > > you are if your team don't win. There's no grey area there... it's as > > close to an absolute as I've found. > > > Unfortunately, this is not the case with music and everything is a > > shade of grey. But not in my mind and not in my opinion :) I keep > > score and call it like I see it. World beware! > > > Brian > > > On Jan 5, 10:48 am, Trey Young <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Seems pretty harsh to suggest these guys don't know how to play just > > because their music doesn't move you. I'm not particularly moved by this > > performance either, other to notice that both of these guys have chops way > > beyond what I can ever hope for, but I mean hey they may have really gotten > > to somebody and sparked something that music hasn't ever hit before. > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Dasspunk <[email protected]> > > > To: Taterbugmando <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Tue, January 5, 2010 8:34:56 AM > > > Subject: Re: Old Daingerfield > > > > Agreed. > > > > I usually look the other way when talented kids use a good tune as a > > > springboard to launch a flurry of self gratifying notes without regard > > > for their need or appropriateness within the tune. It's an extremely > > > common phenomenon that I call this --pardon the term-- musical > > > masturbation. I look the other way because they're kids after all and > > > it often takes a bit of age to go from being *able* to play really > > > well, to actually knowing *how* to play. > > > > Unfortunately, I could probably guess who some of their teachers have > > > been and some, though they've not been kids for 30-40+ years, condone > > > and practice musical masturbation regularly. > > > > I don't mean to pick on the kids but I would like to see this cycle > > > discontinued. The truth is I'm selfishly desperate for it to change > > > because I want to hear some new, truly great music and settling for > > > circus antics and musical masturbation is robbing me of the chance. I > > > would challenge these immensely talented kids to dig deeper and really > > > learn how to play. > > > > Brian > > > > On Jan 3, 6:49 pm, Mark Seale <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > No doubt all great players. But, if I walked into the room while > > Joliff was > > > > playing the first tune on this clip, I would not have known it was > > > > Mississippi Waltz, and I play the tune! And on Old Daingerfield with > > Alex, > > > > again really done well, but why the need to separate the 3rd part? > > Because > > > > you can agree to do it? It didn't add anything to what is a great > > tune. I > > > > enjoyed a lot of the tune development within the tune, but to me it > > just got > > > > disjointed by creating that space. But, that's just me... :) > > > > > Mark > > > > > On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Trey Young <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwALaWvTWKQ > > > > > > here is one such clip > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > *From:* Trey Young <[email protected]> > > > > > *To:* [email protected] > > > > > *Sent:* Sun, January 3, 2010 11:50:57 AM > > > > > *Subject:* Re: Old Daingerfield > > > > > > there are some good clips of Jake Joliff playing with John McGann on > > the > > > > > youtube... > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > *From:* "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > > > *To:* [email protected] > > > > > *Sent:* Sun, January 3, 2010 11:33:27 AM > > > > > *Subject:* Re: Old Daingerfield > > > > > > Jake Jolliff is the mandolin player, he is from Newberg, Oregon. > > Jake is a > > > > > Junior at Berklee, lives now in Boston. > > > > > He plays in "Joy Kills Sorrow" with bunch of young musical > > terrorists, all > > > > > very good, but the language is not > > > > > familiar to me. I know, I'm old. Alex is a junior in high school > > from > > > > > Corvalis, Oregon. The poor kid doesn't even have a band > > > > > of his own, has to be content to play with Grisman and just finished > > a > > > > > nation-wide tour with the Jerry Douglas band' I just > > > > > hope he finds some success before he gets out of high school. > > > > > > Clyde Clevenger > > > > > Just My Opinion, But It's Right > > > > > Salem, Oregon > > > > > Old Circle <http://www.myspace.com/oldcircle> > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Terry Harvey" <[email protected]> > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2010 7:53:39 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > > > > > Subject: Re: Old Daingerfield > > > > > > We just saw Alex H. (the fiddler) with the David Grisman Quintet @ > > The > > > > > Freight & Salvage in Beserkely on Dec 26th. > > > > > That kid can bow a fiddle!! Who's the mando wunderkind? > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 6:27 AM, Bill Burnette <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > >> Very impressive. > > > > > >> Bill in Nashville > > > > > >> On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 4:30 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >>> This ain't exactly like Tater or Bill would have played this, but > > it > > > > >>> was fun to see tonight. > > > > > >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMMK3QI4VHg > > > > > >>> Clyde Clevenger > > > > >>> Just My Opinion, But It's Right > > > > >>> Salem, Oregon > > > > >>> Old Circle <http://www.myspace.com/oldcircle> > > > > > >>> -- > > > > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups > > > > >>> "Taterbugmando" group. > > > > >>> To post to this group, send email to > > [email protected]. > > > > >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > >>> [email protected] > > <taterbugmando%2bunsubscr...@goog legroups.com> > > > > >>> . > > > > >>> For more options, visit this group at > > > > >>>http://groups.google.com/group/taterbugmando?hl=en. > > > > > >> -- > > > > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups > > > > >> "Taterbugmando" group. > > > > >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > > . > > > > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > >> [email protected] > > <taterbugmando%2bunsubscr...@goog legroups.com> > > > > >> . > > > > >> For more options, visit this group at > > > > >>http://groups.google.com/group/taterbugmando?hl=en. > > > > > > -- > > > > > "Its never too late to be what we might have been" > > > > > > -- > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups > > > > > "Taterbugmando" group. > > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > [email protected] > > <taterbugmando%2bunsubscr...@goog legroups.com> > > > > > . > > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/taterbugmando?hl=en. > > > > > > -- > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups > > > > > "Taterbugmando" group. > > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > [email protected] > > <taterbugmando%2bunsubscr...@goog legroups.com> > > > > > . > > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/taterbugmando?hl=en. > > > > > > -- > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups > > > > > "Taterbugmando" group. > > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > [email protected] > > <taterbugmando%2bunsubscr...@goog legroups.com> > > > > > . > > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/taterbugmando?hl=en. > > > > > > -- > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups > > > > > "Taterbugmando" group. > > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > [email protected] > > ... > > read more »
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