Hi Kevin,
   On 30/05/2005 09:47 AM -0400, you wrote:

> I don't want to start a flamewar about this, but I have to disagree
> with you.  Knowing what folders have unread messages is practically
> useless.  

Do you use multiple accounts or just one account? Do you have all your
accounts expanded? 

I have multiple accounts and not all are expanded. Seeing folders
containing unread messages, across accounts is very useful. I don't use
TB!'s implementation since there's no way to tell which folder comes
from which account.

Seeing the folders grouped together makes for a much easier appraisal
of the folders containing new messages. I can then select the folder
that I wish to browse as a priority.

> The combination of only showing folders with unread messages & the
> messages themselves is far more useful (and really, the former would
> be a byproduct of the latter).  

I agree that this can be a further step and can be achieved by applying
a further display filter that shows only unread messages.

Alt-VDU

Or View/Display/Unread Messages.

> What good is knowing a folder
> has unread messages if I need to hunt them down?  

You don't have to hunt.

CTRL-Alt-<right arrow>
<Ctrl><right arrow>
<Ctrl><]>

will all take you to the next unread message in the message list. I've
configured customise to use 'N'.

The newer beta's can now be configured to make the spacebar scroll and
then take you to the next unread message.

If you're in threaded view you often appreciate a message better when
you can quickly review the messages further up in the thread. Messages
that were previously read/scanned.

> Not all unread messages are new or have proper timestamps, etc.; I
> have a lot of unread messages located all over the place.  The
> current "unread" tab doesn't offer me much more than the "unread"
> column in the account view.

Looks like you need to have a look at the ticker and the virtual folder
that goes with it.

Enable the ticker, double click on it and then enable the message list
for the Window that appears. It lists all messages in the ticker.

You can enable the folder column that shows the account and folder each
message belongs to and you can sort with that column. 

Finally, you can configure which folders are included in the ticker
display and which messages should be displayed based on age. In this
way, the more recent ones are displayed.
 
> Even if you want to contend that this is the correct behavior, then
> there is still something wrong with this UI.  Apparently it has caused
> confusion.  "Unread" here clearly means to me "unread messages",
> probably because messages are the only thing I think of in terms of
> having been read and not read.  Even if the location of the tab would
> indicate otherwise, then it would indicate unread folders, which
> doesn't make very much sense.  

It's not what you may personally wish for but it doesn't make it not
make sense. I see a lot of sense in it and personally wish not to see
only a list of unread message in each folder. If I wish to see only
unread messages, then the ticker virtual folder which groups them
together is, IMO, a lot more appropriate.

> This concept of only folders with unread messages is neither
> intuitive nor supported by the tab's context.  But, like I said, if
> this is the correct behavior, then the tab should be renamed at the
> very least.

Renamed perhaps. <shrug>  

In my other client, there's a cabinet called 'New Messages'. When an
IMAP folder contains new messages, it appears in that cabinet. It works
the same as the TB! 'unread' tab. The only difference is that you know
which account each mailbox is from.

> Now, to add something new, I don't like how the "Unread" tab does not
> group folders by account.  I have three accounts I use, so I see three
> "Inbox" folders in the "Unread" tab, without  any indication. other
> than location (seems to correlate to the same order in the account
> tree), of which folder is which.

I agree that this would make it a lot more useable.

-- 
  Allie Martin
System specs: http://www.ac-martin.com/sysspecs.htm
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