Dear Indie_Dev, @21-Aug-2007, 19:12 -0400 (22-Aug 00:12 here) Indie_Dev [ID] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to MAU:
Time for a moderatorial step-in, I think, before the sparks turn to flames. I'm not about to wield any trouts - no list rules have been broken - I just want to clarify some stuff. ... <snip> >> Let's see if you are smart enough to understand this: Sorry, Miguel, don't like the tone of this too much, but I do know English is not your first language. I also know that it's not in your nature to be deliberately rude. Indie_Dev does not know you so well, so this intervention is as much to protect you as it is to put an "official" POV into the mix. ... <snip> >> | TBBETA Mission statement >> | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> | The TBBETA list has been set up for the purpose of discussing The >> | Bat! officially released Beta test versions Of course - hence the name ;-). >> and related issues. ... and here is where Indie_Dev is quite right. If he has issues that are not yet resolved and, therefore, relate to the current beta, then he has a right to discuss those issues here without having to actually submit himself to the vagaries of the actual beta version itself. ... <snip> ID> Which, of course IMO, is meaningless and makes _no_ sense. Here's why: ID> 1. The Beta build contains the _same_ problems that plague the release ID> build. That's right, and if there is to be any dialog regarding new developments in the TB software, this is the only forum in town. ID> 2. I don't intend to use - a largely buggy Beta (hence the term) - ... <snip> Just FYI, the current beta round is a HUUUUGE bugfix cycle. The fact is that there are many less bugs in the *current* beta than in the actual release version. Not all beta cycles are thus, obviously, and your caution is perfectly understandable. ... <snip> ID> Get this. I'm a paying customer. ... as are we all (apart from Max, the only developer still in contact with us through this list at the present time). ID> How you folks choose for me to report issues is, believe it or ID> not, _not_ up to you. I can send emails, post on the forum, post ID> on the Beta list, post on the TBUDL list or send a courier pigeon. ... which just landed in my garden and ate my freshly planted corn seed! Can you keep to the electronic forms of contact next time please? ;-) ID> It shouldn't matter. What should matter is (a) whether or not you ID> pay attention or (b) you actually acknowledge the issues and ID> actually do something about it. Okay - what we tend to do here is mull the issues, decide when we've caught a live one and then one of us (lowly list members and users that we are) scurries off to the BugTraq system to create (as appropriate) a BugTraq or a WishList entry for the guys in the darkened rooms with the crazed expressions to pounce upon like a beggar upon a morsel. Only once a confirmed BugTraq entry exists (and there are many of these) will it be assigned a programmer and the bug be swatted. Wishlist entries have a harder time of reaching daylight since there are other marketing pressures on RITlabs limited resources. And a very full roster of bugs to hunt too. ID> My guess is that (b) is the pre-requisite action given that, like ID> every software ever written, most of the bugs and shortcomings are not ID> found by the developers but the users. In case you were wondering, ID> 'users' would be someone like me. ... nay - like nearly all of us here. Your points are well made and I (officially) support your right to make them. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.99.20 (BETA) on Windows Vista 6.0.6000 '
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