On Tue, Aug 08, 2000 at 06:40:16PM -0500, Joe Finocchiaro wrote:
> For the time being, at least, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and not
> take exception to it.
Well, considering the message I was replying to was intented on every
line, take exception.
> Maybe not from where you sit, but from where I sit, everything *is.*
Then you're clearly doing something wrong. You know, when people have a
hard time golfing because they are holding the head of the club instead of the
handle most intelligent people don't complain about the club and call for it
to be redesigned; they flip it around.
> But doing it your way makes *everything* an exception, whether you care
> to admit it or not.
No, it doesn't. Everything is pasted as is. You know that from the
start, there are no exceptions. I know from the start that my code at 120
characters long in some places won't be mangled and I know that if I want it
to fit I edit to 78 characters wide and it fits just fine. If it doesn't fall
in those two I use *ONE* command and it /does/ fit. But in knowing up front
exactly what the client will do I can tailor my behaivor accordingly. I can
plan for that one, oh-s-pinky-straining, lord how can you STAND IT, keystroke
the once in a blue moon I need to use it. The horror! The agony! My god,
how do I ever type for 8 hours a day at work with all those excessive
keystrokes! I cannot go on! *sob, sob*
Please, if you can't see how you're creating exceptions we have nothing to
discuss for you fail to grasp basic concepts.
> That is, you're forced to make these decisions for *every* post.
No, I'm not. As I stated, I don't have to make a decision at all. I know
what it will do and move along. In the 3 major editing styles I've used for
email in 16 years it has never been a problem.
What is a problem is pasting code, or a table, having it mangled and then
having to remember to turn off formatting, delete the mangled code, paste,
then have to turn it back on AGAIN. 3-steps to my 1. You /DO/ know basic
math, right?
> But I'm not concerned with how often *you* have to reformat anything,
> I'm only concerned with how often *I* have to.
Do it right and it would be rarely at all. Be bold, flip that club around
and try swinging from the handle for once!
> I think the computer stands a pretty good chance of being smarter than
> you, Stevie, if you ask me -- but then you didn't ask.
Oooo, an insult. Well, joe-blow-me, be careful what you say, oh sufferer
of rectal cranial inversion, I've got a LOT more experience than you in a
LOT more things given your utter lack of understanding of basic computer UI.
You want to get into a childish little name-calling contest, so be it. Be
sure to have mommy nearby to wipe up your tears when you feel violated for
having the truth shown to you. Clear?
> You can say it until the cows come home, but we'd still disagree.
Fine, as long as you're wrong I don't care if we disagree.
> And as I said before, I'd wager some money that the majority agrees
> with me.
The majority doesn't make it right. Another concept you can't seem to
visualize. Here let me help you. Remember when all the girls on the
playground stripped you naked, kicked you in the nards and called you a
sissy-faggity-boy? Just because there was 20 of them doing it doesn't make it
so.
> Well, that's exactly what I want TB to do. I don't want to futz around
> with the program every damn time I decide to write a message any more than I
> want to futz with my computer every damn time I turn it on.
As I've stated, that is exactly what you're asking for. Are you going to
paste something that cannot be reflowed this time? *futz, futz, futz*
> What I'm doing "wrong," I suppose, is copying text from hundreds of
> different sources on the Internet, and then trying to get them all to format
> themselves to *my* preferred format default, and to what the preferences of
> my mail list members are.
Well, let me put it this way, 16 years on computers, 10+ on networks doing
just that, 1 year on TB! with not one day of it with auto-formatting turned
on and I haven't had a problem yet. If I can do it in 3-5 different editors
off the top of my head for 99% of the cases with the 1% being so badly mangled
it cannot be formatted and do so with /LESS/ effort than you expend something
tells me you're doing something wrong.
I mean heaven forbid that you actually LEARN something. Lordy no, might
strain something.
> Now, I suppose that I could stop doing that, but I don't want to,
> America being a free country and all.
Yup, you're free to be ignorant and stupid. Doesn't mean I have to
tolerate you.
> I'd lose *that* bet, because it's obvious you only care about
> yourself.
No, I care about what is /right/, not what the majority thinks.
> I bet $.25 that the vast majority doesn't give one rat's ass about
> what you think, either.
MMmmm, naughty, naughty. Know what? I guarentee that more people care
about what I say than what you say mainly because, curmudgeon or not, crass
and brusque or not, I know what I'm talking about and can back it up with more
than anecdotal evidence. I've done so in the past and I'll do it again. It
has been my experience that when there are two people talking, one who is
cutesy but ignorant and stupid and the other crass but dead on right, they
listen to the latter. That is why I'd rather be right than nice.
> > The majority thinks it is peachy-keen to send large attachments through
> > email.
> No, they don't. Those are in the minority.
Try again. I worked tech support at a regional ISP and the number one
problem we had with email was people sending large attachments. The number
one complaint we had about email was the inability to send even larger
attachments. We limited to 5Mb which is 5056Kb more than spec.
> SL> The majority is wrong on that. The majority thinks voice email is a neat
> SL> idea.
> No, they don't. The majority doesn't even know that voice e-mail
> exists.
*snerk* Uhm, two of the three major players have it in their product.
I've had people call in wondering what the problem was with it.
> The only reason they're "wrong" is because of their impact on others.
The impact includes the servers and the specs which were not designed to
handle such things.
> In the future, when broadband is available to everyone, everyone will
> be "right."
Only when new standards are in place to accomodate them.
> SL> The majority thinks the WWW is the internet and that AOL is an ISP.
> The majority don't even own a computer.
No comment.
> This is precisely why a really smart guy once said "Different strokes for
> different folks."
Somehow I don't think he had smacking golf balls with the handle in mind
there, joe-blow-me.
> Henry Ford-like, I suppose you would rather have said, "My way or the
> highway," eh?
"They can have any color they want as long as it is black." -- Henry Ford
> I'm really glad you're not in charge of anything that affects *my* life.
Hey, you never know, I might just be. You don't know who I am or what I
do. What I can tell you is this, if you don't like the truth, don't listen to
me. You want to remain ignorant and foolish, don't listen to me. You want to
actually LEARN something, better listen to me.
--
Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your
ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls.
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