Tuesday, August 08, 2000, 7:17:45 PM, Steve Lamb, wrote:
SL> On Tue, Aug 08, 2000 at 06:40:16PM -0500, Joe Finocchiaro wrote:
>> For the time being, at least, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and not
>> take exception to it.
SL> Well, considering the message I was replying to was intented on every
SL> line, take exception.
Yeah, sure, right after you learn how to spell.
>> Maybe not from where you sit, but from where I sit, everything *is.*
SL> Then you're clearly doing something wrong.
Replying to you is wrong, I know that now.
But I like to anyway, because it's been fun.
SL> You know, when people have a
SL> hard time golfing because they are holding the head of the club instead of the
SL> handle most intelligent people don't complain about the club and call for it
SL> to be redesigned; they flip it around.
Most people who play golf well also usually spell well.
And if you showed up on a golf course with that attitude of yours, you'd
be surprised at the ways some folks would want to hold their club.
>> But doing it your way makes *everything* an exception, whether you care
>> to admit it or not.
SL> No, it doesn't. Everything is pasted as is. You know that from the
SL> start, there are no exceptions. I know from the start that my code at 120
SL> characters long in some places won't be mangled and I know that if I want it
SL> to fit I edit to 78 characters wide and it fits just fine. If it doesn't fall
SL> in those two I use *ONE* command and it /does/ fit. But in knowing up front
SL> exactly what the client will do I can tailor my behaivor accordingly. I can
SL> plan for that one, oh-s-pinky-straining, lord how can you STAND IT, keystroke
SL> the once in a blue moon I need to use it. The horror! The agony! My god,
SL> how do I ever type for 8 hours a day at work with all those excessive
SL> keystrokes! I cannot go on! *sob, sob*
I take exception to your mumbo jumbo ramblings above.
I know, you don't give a rat's ass.
Neither do I.
SL> Please, if you can't see how you're creating exceptions we have nothing to
SL> discuss for you fail to grasp basic concepts.
You finally got something right -- we really have nothing to discuss.
So lets not discuss anything anymore, okay?
>> That is, you're forced to make these decisions for *every* post.
SL> No, I'm not. As I stated, I don't have to make a decision at all. I know
SL> what it will do and move along. In the 3 major editing styles I've used for
SL> email in 16 years it has never been a problem.
<Yawn>
SL> What is a problem is pasting code, or a table, having it mangled and then
SL> having to remember to turn off formatting, delete the mangled code, paste,
SL> then have to turn it back on AGAIN. 3-steps to my 1. You /DO/ know basic
SL> math, right?
I know how to hold a club, and that's all I need to know.
>> But I'm not concerned with how often *you* have to reformat anything,
>> I'm only concerned with how often *I* have to.
SL> Do it right and it would be rarely at all. Be bold, flip that club around
SL> and try swinging from the handle for once!
Can I swing at anything I want?
>> I think the computer stands a pretty good chance of being smarter than
>> you, Stevie, if you ask me -- but then you didn't ask.
SL> Oooo, an insult.
Hey! You noticed!
SL> Well, joe-blow-me, be careful what you say, oh sufferer
SL> of rectal cranial inversion, I've got a LOT more experience than you in a
SL> LOT more things given your utter lack of understanding of basic computer UI.
You may have more experience with computers (it wouldn't take that much), but if you'd
like to see who has the better flaming skills, count me in, %$#*&#.
SL> You want to get into a childish little name-calling contest, so be it.
If you treated people decently, we wouldn't now be having at it.
You're a screwball, and a mean-spirited one at that.
SL> Be
SL> sure to have mommy nearby to wipe up your tears when you feel violated for
SL> having the truth shown to you. Clear?
Stick it in your ear, Stevie.
Fascists like you only know one truth, your own.
>> You can say it until the cows come home, but we'd still disagree.
SL> Fine, as long as you're wrong I don't care if we disagree.
>> And as I said before, I'd wager some money that the majority agrees
>> with me.
SL> The majority doesn't make it right.
It sure does, if you're trying to SELL SOFTWARE TO THE MAJORITY!
On the other hand, if TB only wants to sell software to petty,
mean-spirited and screwball fascists like you, I wish they'd tell me
now so I could start looking for something else to use, because TB
probably won't be around very long.
SL> Another concept you can't seem to
SL> visualize. Here let me help you. Remember when all the girls on the
SL> playground stripped you naked, kicked you in the nards and called you a
SL> sissy-faggity-boy? Just because there was 20 of them doing it doesn't make it
SL> so.
Unlike your own school yard experience, at least mine were *girls,* eh?
That probably means I've had sex with at least 19 more girls than you, eh?
Maybe 20?
Besides, the chances of you ever calling me a sissy-faggity boy to my
face are:
1.Slim
2.Nil
3.Nonexistent
>> What I'm doing "wrong," I suppose, is copying text from hundreds of
>> different sources on the Internet, and then trying to get them all to format
>> themselves to *my* preferred format default, and to what the preferences of
>> my mail list members are.
SL> Well, let me put it this way, 16 years on computers, 10+ on networks doing
SL> just that, 1 year on TB! with not one day of it with auto-formatting turned
SL> on and I haven't had a problem yet.
So what? Again, I couldn't care any less about your problems, or your
lack of any problems, either.
Maybe you're just too damn dumb to know that you have a problem?
SL> If I can do it in 3-5 different editors
SL> off the top of my head for 99% of the cases with the 1% being so badly mangled
SL> it cannot be formatted and do so with /LESS/ effort than you expend something
SL> tells me you're doing something wrong.
Geeeeeeeeez, I knew this group was an international one...but we must live on different
freakin' planets!
SL> I mean heaven forbid that you actually LEARN something. Lordy no, might
SL> strain something.
Wanna learn something?
Try learning how to talk to people.
>> Now, I suppose that I could stop doing that, but I don't want to,
>> America being a free country and all.
SL> Yup, you're free to be ignorant and stupid. Doesn't mean I have to
SL> tolerate you.
Well, until one of us gets bounced, yes, it does.
You could, on the other hand, simply ignore me.
And if you will do that, I promise to ignore you as well.
>> I'd lose *that* bet, because it's obvious you only care about
>> yourself.
SL> No, I care about what is /right/, not what the majority thinks.
Yeah, right...and screwball fascists like you get to determine what's
"right," eh?
Not in this lifetime, ol' blunderbuss.
>> I bet $.25 that the vast majority doesn't give one rat's ass about
>> what you think, either.
SL> MMmmm, naughty, naughty. Know what? I guarentee that more people care
SL> about what I say than what you say mainly because, curmudgeon or not, crass
SL> and brusque or not, I know what I'm talking about and can back it up with more
SL> than anecdotal evidence.
Which *still* makes you an %$#*&#, any way you cut it.
SL> I've done so in the past and I'll do it again.
So what? You're still an %$#*&#.
SL> It
SL> has been my experience that when there are two people talking, one who is
SL> cutesy but ignorant and stupid and the other crass but dead on right, they
SL> listen to the latter. That is why I'd rather be right than nice.
Too bad your follow-thru is so weak then, because you're not only
wrong about this, you're an %$#*&# to boot.
>> > The majority thinks it is peachy-keen to send large attachments through
>> > email.
>> No, they don't. Those are in the minority.
SL> Try again. I worked tech support at a regional ISP and the number one
SL> problem we had with email was people sending large attachments.
Geeeeeeeee...you are one narcissistic little dweeb.
Maybe the "problem" was with the *technology*?
It's like saying that people in the last century who wanted to *fly* were wrong!
It's up to the industry to provide what the consumer wants.
Not the other way around.
SL> The number
SL> one complaint we had about email was the inability to send even larger
SL> attachments. We limited to 5Mb which is 5056Kb more than spec.
Yeah, you may think you "limited" them, but all you probably did was just
push them to another provider, i.e., one that did allow large attachments.
Maybe you should learn more about business and less about computers?
>> SL> The majority is wrong on that. The majority thinks voice email is a neat
>> SL> idea.
>> No, they don't. The majority doesn't even know that voice e-mail
>> exists.
SL> *snerk* Uhm, two of the three major players have it in their product.
SL> I've had people call in wondering what the problem was with it.
How many people? Two? Three? *snerk* *snerk*
>> The only reason they're "wrong" is because of their impact on others.
SL> The impact includes the servers and the specs which were not designed to
SL> handle such things.
Then the "problem," if you will, was with your specs. Not with your
customer's desires or needs.
But you do sound like the typical ISP guy.
They're mostly a bunch of %$#*&#s, too.
>> In the future, when broadband is available to everyone, everyone will
>> be "right."
SL> Only when new standards are in place to accomodate them.
And the reason that new standards will be put in place is because the
people will DEMAND that they be put in place.
You know, those stupid, ignorant "majority" folks.
>> SL> The majority thinks the WWW is the internet and that AOL is an ISP.
>> The majority don't even own a computer.
SL> No comment.
That should be your freakin' motto until you can talk to people decently.
>> This is precisely why a really smart guy once said "Different strokes for
>> different folks."
SL> Somehow I don't think he had smacking golf balls with the handle in mind
SL> there, joe-blow-me.
Sure he did, if he had you for the target.
And, no, I won't blow you, because there's nothing there to blow.
You're the veritable kazoo of things with which to blow.
>> Henry Ford-like, I suppose you would rather have said, "My way or the
>> highway," eh?
SL> "They can have any color they want as long as it is black." -- Henry Ford
Yeah, right, until Chevy came out with blue, green, white, and a
maaaavelous shade of yellow!
>> I'm really glad you're not in charge of anything that affects *my* life.
SL> Hey, you never know, I might just be.
No chance. You're too damn dumb to get anywhere.
SL> You don't know who I am or what I
SL> do.
And for all of the above, I am forever grateful.
SL> What I can tell you is this, if you don't like the truth, don't listen to
SL> me.
Wine comes in at the mouth
and love comes in at the eye;
That's all we shall know for truth
Before we grow old and die. Yeats.
And, no, I won't be listening to you, so do us both a favor and save your breath.
And a foul-smelling breath it is.
SL> You want to remain ignorant and foolish, don't listen to me. You want to
SL> actually LEARN something, better listen to me.
When I want to become a petty, churlish, mean-spirited little fascist, I
promise to come to you for guidance.
Until then, Stevie, stick it in your ear.
--
Joe Finocchiaro
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