Hello Allie, Saturday, September 4, 2004, 6:07:27 PM, you wrote:
> Tony, [T] wrote: >> The 1st thing I do after installing XP is reverting everything to >> classic w2k look. > Choice. It's all a matter of choice. > Roelof recently stated that TB! doesn't look any different to him > since he still uses the glyph set he likes. > With your glyph set and the classic Windows look, you'll not see any > difference with TB!. The fact that you immediately switch to the > classic look is testimony to the fact the even you care about the > appearance of your applications. I never claimed diffrently. I even think a good UI takes a *lot* of development time. And is *very* important. But UI is more then icons. And I like TB! UI. That's why I bought it. And it's functionality of cource <.....> > http://www.thebatworld.de/system/sections/index.php?op=listarticles&secid=10 Thanks for this very useful link! >> And even if RitLabs hired 100 graphics artists TB! will never be >> main stream. It's targeted at a different market than Outlook. A >> market with people that are prepared to invest more time in an >> application. And I could be very wrong here but I think that kind of >> people are the ones that complain the most about bloatware. > Yes. You could be wrong, and I do believe you're wrong on this > unfounded assumption. On what statement? Not becoming main stream or bloatware? Main stream is a fact. Bloatware is not unfounded at all. It's just a feeling of years of 'being around' in none mainstream app communities. No I have no written proof about that statement. But you haven't either. >> On itself not. But somehow it often goes hand in hand with >> instability/bloating. Everything can be programmed bugfree. However >> company policy dictates how long is spend on tracking bugs. > I disagree here. I'm saying that bugs are in TB!, And most likely in 99.9% of all programs of reasonable size. And I have no problems with it either. As long as the bugs are not to huge, and reasonable effort is made to fix them. > many are frustrated > with their bugs not being fixed, and many quite unreasonably cast a > lot of blame/attention/emphasis on the changes being made to the > user-interface appearance as being the reason for this. Agreed a icon with a different color doesn't make a program more buggy. But I can fully understand that users that have real problems with a certain bug rather would see RitLabs spend the X hours/$ they spend on the icons was spend on debugging. > I've outlined > a lot bigger development efforts/enhancements that are occurring > concurrently. Overwhelming reasonably bugfree development with the > simultaneous introduction of all these new components seems like the > bigger problem here. All agreed. New functionality comes often with bugs. > Simultaneous introduction of features quite > likely borne of a strong desire to please customers. Probably. And I guess the part of the users that need that functionality are happy. To make myself clear adding 100 new features doesn't necessarily mean something becomes bloatware. But adding 10 new feature *can* make it bloatware. And stopping development isn't a good way either. That's actually what drove me away from Forte Agent. All taken in account TB! ranks as the best for my use. >> That probably would be a better approach. I do a little programming >> myself and I learned that debugging every feature before adding more >> functionality saves lots of time later. > Yes. Seems reasonable and I witness this approach with MDaemon, my > mailserver. They run an exemplary beta program with a top-notch and > very stable mailserver resulting. Of course, there are always bugs being > reported. :) As I wrote above bugs have to be expected unless it's programmed by a team of gods :-) >> But please, I'm personally really getting tired of the comments about >> what I'm allowed to say :-) > I don't see how on earth I can really determine or have direct > influence on what you choose or choose not to post here. I can only > post my own opinion as well. Being tired of reading a particular > sentiment is just another sentiment. It cannot and therefore should > not be construed as a request to stop posting such a sentiment. Don't worry only a blacklist can stop me :-) >> If everybody shuts up how should RitLabs know what its users wants. >> And you selectively snipped all the stuff I said in favour of RitLabs >> to make it look like hate mail. > Can we be reasonable here? No one is telling anyone here to shut up. The shut part was a general remark. Maybe 'feedback' would have been a better choice of words. > Accusing me of making your mail out to be hate mail is a bit over the > top too. I actually defended RitLabs in my original post. And in later posts including this one. But focusing on the icons makes it sound like hate mail. >> Besides I think you missed my point about icons and smilies. >> History has proven that it very often (not always) is a start of bloatware. > (not always) > This is my rebuttal. Not always. Let's not jump to conclusions. That why I originally wrote '1st step' and not 'is bloatware. <.....> > How that implies or heralds the road to bloat is beyond me. <shrug> I don't blame you for that. <shrug> -- Tony Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance. ________________________________________________ Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
