With ProSupport for IT from Dell AND a Dell Technician certification you can 
directly order parts... the certification used to be ridiculously easy (they 
literally gave you the answers for the test in a different window) but they've 
tightened it up recently.  I always make sure that at least 2 of my guys have 
the cert.  Doesn't stop you from calling Dell directly. However.. for HDD's 
they usually let me just get advanced replacement on the phone but for anything 
beyond that (proc's, memory, temp probes etc) they want to do swaping, moving, 
DSET etc etc


-rd


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of Mark McCullough
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 6:27 PM
To: Derek J.Balling
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [lopsa-tech] Server Recommendations


On 2011 Jan 24, at 17:01, Derek J. Balling wrote:

[snip]

> When they ask for diag output from some random software they want me to 
> install and run, I tell them I can't install other applications on these 
> machines for security reasons, and when they ask me to boot into a 
> diagnostics mode, I tell them I can't schedule the downtime other than for 
> the swap of what their onboard software already in place claims is 
> failed/degraded.  (Obviously, if I *don't* know what the problem is, the 
> service call takes a completely different tack).
>
> All that said, though, I *do* make sure in "degraded" conditions, that I'm 
> running the latest firmware, and ensure that the error crops back up in the 
> current firmware revs, because sometimes the diagnostic code has bugs and 
> false-positives claiming a non-existent DIMM condition and such (we've seen 
> it happen).

We refuse to run the latest and greatest firmware, and push back mightily when 
told to upgrade.  This goes so far as to escalate when they refuse to do a hard 
drive swap for a completely failed drive because the firmware isn't up to date, 
or the DIMM has been caught causing kernel panics left and right.

If (and this is a huge if), the vendor can show that the firmware version in 
question has fixes directly related to our issue, then we'll consider the 
upgrade, scheduled when we have lots of on-call staff and have the hardware 
support on standby to handle a failed firmware install, or firmware that has to 
be backed out.

We've been burned too many times by lousy firmware.

I'm mainly willing to run DSET and similar tools when I don't see the problem. 
If I can see what is by the more old fashioned way, we push hard.  This is 
because a certain vendor was caught hiding pending hardware failures with 
firmware updates.  "Oh, this failure isn't critical, so just disable this 
warning that says it is likely to die in three months."

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"The speed of communications is wondrous to behold. It is also true that speed 
can multiply the distribution of information that we know to be untrue." Edward 
R Murrow (1964)

Mark McCullough
[email protected]

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