I remember a guy with a video camera at the hot tub who was finally asked to 
leave because he kept taking pictures. It was a long time ago, and I felt 
slightly offended, but had no fears that the video would show up some place to 
embarrass me in my workplace.

That was the community Thomas is talking about asking the guy to leave when he 
would not respect requests to stop.

We have a lot of cavers from a lot of fields of work with differing standards 
and differing  ideas of “reasonable” behavior.  With publicizing photos being 
so easy now, I think it is a good time to bring this to wider awareness and 
decide this is a reasonable policy.  Cavers do form a community, and we need to 
protect the interests of those who would feel (and be) vulnerable without this 
protection.  

 

Linda

 

From: Thomas Sitch [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 4:01 PM
To: Cave Tex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] new TCR photography policy - community needs to 
enforce

 


We've consistently had people crowding in with cameras during the ramen noodle 
wrestling (later mud wrestling).  I've taken the occassional picture, although 
mine never go online.  Nontheless, I'm happy to trade asking people permission 
to photograph them for everybody feeling more comfortable about how they want 
to express themselves.

 

I think that we, as a community, need to decide to enforce this policy.  If 
everyone keeps a weather eye out, and politely asks camera barers to put the 
cell phones or cameras away (and potentially flags folks who refuse to comply), 
we'll actually have a better experience.

 

~~Thomas

--- On Fri, 10/8/10, Diana Tomchick <[email protected]> wrote:


From: Diana Tomchick <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] new TCR photography policy
To: "Cave Tex" <[email protected]>
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Friday, October 8, 2010, 3:11 PM

You know, I hate to have to say it, but if you're concerned about the people at 
work or in your family or wherever seeing you naked in a photo (or doing 
whatever crazy thing), then don't do it during the daylight hours at TCR. That 
way no one can take an embarrassing photo of you.

When 350+ people attend an event, there's no way you can really consider that 
to be a "private gathering"--and it has always been this way, even before the 
advent of social networking sites and the Internet.

Diana

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On Oct 8, 2010, at 11:09 AM, [email protected] 
<http://us.mc364.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>  wrote:

>
> Agreed, Butch, and the same with The TEXAS CAVER.
>
> I always try to make sure that whatever I print, I would be comfortable with 
> if it was one of my family members or on the cover of the local newspaper 
> (remember those?).
>
> If it would embarrass someone or is cave/landowner sensitive, i.e., gives 
> directions to a certain cave, it doesn't go in.
>
> Luckily, neither has been a problem.
>
> BUT, in the age of Facebook and every yahoo in existence having a cellphone 
> with a camera, how you will ever be able control this is beyond me.
>
> The genie is out of the bottle and it, along with personal privacy, has gone 
> the way of the chariot and carbide.
>
> (See the Rutgers incident).
>
>
> Rest assured that Butch and I will be the epitome of privacy and good taste, 
> relatively speaking in a caver sense.
>
>
> All the other avenues, good luck with all that!
>
>
> Mark
>
>
> P.S. - I'm surprised this hasn't been discussed sooner, this week or in prior 
> years.
>
>
>
> From: Butch Fralia [mailto:[email protected] 
> <http://us.mc364.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> ]
> Sent: Fri 10/8/2010 9:01 AM
> To: 'Saj Zappitello'; [email protected] 
> <http://us.mc364.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> 
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] new TCR photography policy
>
> Is this an official policy or?
>
> Wouldn’t it be easier to just say don’t take photos of naked people?
>
> TCR is a difficult place to get photo permission for everyone in the photo, 
> there could be hundreds.   If we have to ask permission from everyone in the 
> photo there wont be a TCR photo spread ever again.  We always try to keep the 
> website decent and not embarrass anyone.  If they are embarrassed, they can 
> request a photo be removed.
>
> Butch
>
> From: Saj Zappitello [mailto:[email protected] 
> <http://us.mc364.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> ]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 10:51 AM
> To: [email protected] 
> <http://us.mc364.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> 
> Subject: [Texascavers] new TCR photography policy
>
> In the new generation of social networking sites (like facebook) and a global 
> digital footprint, some of us have been brainstorming new ways to keep TCR a 
> fun and free-spirited retreat from our usual social inhibitions. Our solution 
> is to request that everyone participate in a new photography policy that has 
> worked well at other free-spirited gatherings.
>
> Please DO NOT take photographs of anyone without their permission, and 
> certainly do not post photographs of anyone online without permission.
>
> The way this works is simple--just ask people before you take their 
> photograph, and ask them again if you want to post photos online.
>
> We will post a reminder of this new policy at registration. Let's keep this 
> event fun and wild!
>
> Feel free to respond to me OFF LIST if you have comments about this.
>
> Thanks and happy caving!
> ~Saj


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