Gopala dont get wild; you will talk nonsense; your colleagues will do; they
are not singular; and when you are sure of reaching paraman paadam, sure
all will reach as all are far superior to you all. {*Hey IaRSe, why do you
howl like an*
* unchaste **tonsured **agraharam **teenage widow **in heat **flinging
back stuff heaped upon you **Be original, you copycat hijada **}
*What are they? Plural? And are you one
sided blind? Your brain had stopped so keep quiet KR
On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 at 19:55, 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty <
[email protected]> wrote:
> Respected Mr Rajaram,
>
> Will there be an end of using singular addressing and abusing in your life
> time? I am sure you will not reach Paramapadam, but pathalam, if you
> continue abusing like this. You are compelling others also to make
> singular usage.
> Gopalakrishnan
>
> On Saturday, 27 January, 2024 at 09:22:32 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Oh Narayanasamy and co are non vegetarians and drunkards as admitted in
> foreign they go to cat houses? That is what I also wrote. Kutramulla nenju
> padapadaikirathu? The guilty consciousness inflicts? Truth is bitter
> Narayana enda dont you know this Sumban
>
> On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 at 23:54, Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> Dear folks
>
> With nothing to say, rogue and charlatan refugee from iyer123 Rajaram K
> alias KR ex-IRS alias Cockroachmoorthy nevertheless rants and raves about
> nothing. His last words are worth noting:-
>
> "*Brahmins by becoming the other varna guna vibaga adopters, and eating
> non veg and drinks changed the whole concept of topsy-turvy*."
>
> If this is a confession of "mea culpa", in KR ex-IRS' usual
> drain-gutter-sewer ungrammatical broken English, why boast about it?
>
> Don't some non-practising "so-called braahmaanas" today keep and visit
> cathouses, and, when abroad, give in to the temptation to sleep with
> foreign women?
>
> S Narayanaswamy Iyer
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 9:50 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
> Snake biting its own tail is a word of subterfuge. History is only that.
> My grandfather defeated your grandfather and so you enter into my nation
> to covet it back. That is natural. As long as dharma was the ruler of the
> 56 nations in India, there were fear to offend anyone; but Islamic invasion
> and the British rule made the DIVIDE AND RULE POLICY; there the brahmins
> were patronised because of their intelligence; and the Brahmins
> thought they are fro Head and so they can do anything against the feet; The
> Kshatriyas did the same thing; and in effect, agraharam and outlaws enter
> the field of residence. Trivandrum Rajas brought laws to have the
> virudhunagar Nadar women then , not to wear any blouse. So much atrocity
> was brought over by the brahmins and the kshatriyas. This was made use of
> to capture the power by Politicians and the landlords of the north, to
> provoke the people against Brahmins and oppress the 4th varnas in the
> north. South became dravida and communist rulers; North still continued to
> hold power of the rich. In the South , a new history started; non brahmins
> now showing their hatred towards the 4th varna but Brahmins started
> migrating. What we sow , so we reap. And Brahmins by becoming the other
> varna guna vibaga adopters, and eating non veg and drinks changed the whole
> concept of topsy-turvy. KR IRS 26 1 24
>
> On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 at 19:06, Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> Dear folks
>
> "*Yes, the reservation system hurts the talented but decades of oppressed
> ones need some crutches before they can start walking on their own. It has
> gone on for far too long and too far but who will bell the cat? N Sekar"*
>
>
> Sri N Sekar's arguments often have the quality and reality of a snake
> biting its own tail.
>
> In the above clarion call to battle he only reminds one of the equally
> spurious argument:-
>
> "*Your great-grandfather kicked my great-grandfather centuries ago; so I
> am kicking you now.*"
>
> Bell what cat? Just trap it with mouse-meat, and drown it in the nearest
> stream.
>
> S Narayanaswamy Iyer
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 4:30 PM 'N Sekar' via KeralaIyers <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
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> ----- Forwarded Message -----
> *From:* "Narayanaswamy Sekar" <[email protected]>
> *To:* "Srinivasan Sridharan" <[email protected]>
> *Cc:* "Patty Thatha" <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 1:58 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [iyer123] Re: [KeralaIyers] Re: Comedy of errors-reg
> Thanks Srinivasan Sir.
>
> 1. We can't deny, however much we try, that certain sections were
> suppressed and oppressed, not by brahmins alone but more so by the other so
> called upper castes.
>
> 2. Until as recently as a decade back there were some villages in T N
> where their womenfolk cannot wear blouses but cover their upper body only
> with their sarees.
> Their men cannot wear chappels nor can they put their towels over their
> shoulders - that needs to be tied to their hips.
>
> These rules were applied when they had to cross over the so called upper
> caste areas.
>
> There are still some temples in T N where they are not allowed to enter.
> What we forget is that these practices also contribute to conversions
> though other religions also practice the same evil of caste
> discrimination, but more subtly.
>
> Why do you think the blacks are given preference under Affirmative Action
> in the U S?
>
> 3. It is true Rama did not give any part of his kingdom to others but
> neither was there these kinds of atrocities and blatant violation of human
> rights - all in the name of castes.
>
> Even today in T N villages there is subtle, unannounced discrimination
> being practiced but not by brahmins ( they have migrated to the cities) but
> by the dominant so called upper caste folks in that area.
>
> Yes, the reservation system hurts the talented but decades of oppressed
> ones need some crutches before they can start walking on their own. It has
> gone on for far too long and too far but who will bell the cat?
>
>
> N Sekar
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 24, 2024, 10:40 PM Srinivasan Sridharan <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
> *Dear Sri Sekar,*
>
> * I have some opinion on the issue of reservation*
> * which I thought I would tell.*
> * Sama Dharma is a part of Sanathana Dharma.*
> * It means every Jeevathma should be respected equally,*
> * since Paramathma resides in all Jeevathmas. It means respect*
>
> * not only human beings but also other living beings.*
> * However reservation is for preferring some scheduled castes *
> * and tribe people be given Govt jobs in preference to people*
> * of other castes, overlooking the possibility of incompetence.*
> * in some of those who have been given such Govt jobs.*
> * It has nothing to do with Social equality or mutual respect*
> * of all human beings! It of course gives those people a chance*
>
> * to have better material life than what their ancestors had ! That is
> all!*
> * Sri Rama wholeheartedly accepted*
>
> * a person (Guha) from the hunter tribe and a monkey (Sugreeva)*
> * and a Rakshasa (Vbheeshana ) as his own brother ! This is Samadharma!*
> * Sri Rama did not give any part of the Kosala Kingdom to Guha*
> *or Sugreeva or Vibhishana even though he offered the same to*
> * Bharatha, Lakshmana and Shathrugna who are also his brothers.*
> * Dharma is subtle, especially Sama Dharma !*
>
> * Sridharan.*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 4:24 AM Narayanaswamy Sekar <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: *'N Sekar' via iyer123* <[email protected]>
> Date: Wed, Jan 24, 2024, 4:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [iyer123] Re: [KeralaIyers] Re: Comedy of errors-reg
> To: <[email protected]>, 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123 <
> [email protected]>
>
>
> Thanks Sri G K.
>
> Equality does not mean everyone should be of the same standard -
> physically, materially, financially etc.
>
> It does not also mean that everyone should be reduced to the lowest
> common denominator.
>
> It just means we treat all as human beings and extend the courticies to
> them as we would expect them to do to us. Basic courtesy and Decency in
> treating all is all that it means.
>
> Yes we have hierarchies in the office but that does not give us the right
> to treat our subordinates as your slaves. Everyone craves for dignity and
> respect and we should recognize that fact.
>
> " Do unto others as what you would have them do unto you"
> Is the maxim any cultured and civilized person is expected to follow.
>
> Even in the Mahabharata we have the story of how Durupathan insulted Drona
> ( asking Drona how a poor brahmin can claim to be friends with a king like
> Durupatha) and the consequences.
>
> Arrogance leads to downfall sooner or later.
>
> It is worth remembering Satya Sai Bagahwan's words " End of Education is
> Humility".
>
> Re: why we have reservations, the short answer is " Affirmative Action" is
> a pre requisite to uplift the unfortunate, poorer sections of society. But
> unfortunately it has degenerated into caste issues in our country and no
> party dare touch it lest the affected section changes its votes -
> Vote bank politics in different forms and shapes and colors. We can't deny
> though that some sections of the society were oppressed and suppressed and
> the inevitable backlash is more than one expected. That's why 10%
> reservation for the poor so called upper class is a welcome step. Poverty
> knows no caste or religion.
>
>
> N Sekar
>
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> On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 10:39 AM, 'gopala krishnan' via KeralaIyers
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> Dear Mr Sekar,
>
> I forgot to add one thing. I have read else where Gayathree manthra was
> there already, Sage Viswamithra put it in a new chandas.
>
> All sages had rivalries between them, sage Brahaspathi, and sage Sukra are
> examples . Sage Viswamithra had pride . It made him Rajarshi, and he became
> Devarshi after loosing his pride.
>
> On Wednesday, 24 January, 2024 at 10:32:29 am IST, 'gopala krishnan' via
> iyer123 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Mr Sekar,
>
> I have gone through your response.
>
> In that case why the Government of India still follows caste and religion?
>
> Even after 76 years why the Government of India still keeps reservation
> for BC, SC and ST for concessions and reservations?
>
> Even with in the religion why difference between castes?
>
> If all are humans and equal, (It should be) all the above and many more
> are to be changed.
>
> As homo sapiens, by nature it is very difficult to change animal qualities
> with in all of us. These animal qualities are responsible for all the
> problems in the world/countries/ states/ among people.
>
> One person feels he is superior. Another's views are ignored. There is no
> tolerance. Then only equality.
>
> I recollect an incidence from Ramayana. I cannot quote sarga /kanda. Once
> Seetha devi asked Sri Rama why people are not made equal. I desire so. Sri
> Rama with a smile made every body equal. Different sects of people forgot
> their duties. They simply enjoyed life.
>
> A leakage occurred in the palace. A search was made. No masons to attend.
> Sita understood the folly. Sri Rama changed the maya created. Masons
> appeared. Immediately the leakage was attended to.
>
> So I feel we can have *some sort of equality in standard of living,* not
> fully. I have read articles about present day Russia, still there are
> catagories of people doing different works, the person doing menial jobs
> may have better standard of living than one do red collar jobs or ordinary
> jobs.
> Gopalakrishnan
>
>
> On Wednesday, 24 January, 2024 at 09:28:27 am IST, 'N Sekar' via
> KeralaIyers <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Thank you both Sri G K and Sri Sridharan and a couple of others who did
> not cc the group for reasons all well known. At least they responded.
>
> Without elaborating ( as it will be found sensitive and will touch raw
> nerves) let me just say - based on my knowledge gained from reading,
> listening to and my own reflection of what I read and listened to.
>
> I understand there will be different opinions BUT I strongly feel all of
> us are humans and hence deserve to be treated as such - there is no
> question of superiority or inferiority.
>
> Each of us have a job to do and let us do it. There is something called "
> Dignity of Labour".
>
> Also, different sects follow different customs and we can't judge others
> by what we do.
>
> Let us do what we do and let them do what they do. Who are we to dictate
> to others and impose our practices on others esp because none of us ( in a
> general sense) contributed anything in the struggle of 500 years - we may
> have sent donations to the Trust as I have, BUT that is not equal to the
> struggles they had put up - just watch the dead bodies of the kar sevaks
> bring pulled up / dragged from the Sarayu river and you will realize the
> price they had paid.
>
> Whether what they did was right or wrong is for another day- they felt
> suppressed by the invaders and then by our own sicular crowd who will not
> hesitate to sell the Nation for a few votes - and that crowd includes the
> so called brahmins.
>
> So they are fully entitled to decide where, when and how the ceremonies
> will be conducted and by who. It is their customs and we are outsiders as
> far as their practices go. If we don't like what they do let us not witness
> or visit them - nobody compelled any one else.
>
> Will we tolerate if they come and tell us how to do Kumbabhidhekam on our
> temples? If the answer is No then let us not comment on their practices.
>
> So let us not interfere with what is essentially their function - they
> toiled for it, paid for it with their lives even, and let them garner all
> the glory that is legitimately theirs.
>
> Just leave them alone.
>
> We are just not entitled to pass critical remarks without contributing
> anything.
>
> Let us remember that the paths we take may differ but ultimately the
> Destination is the same. Methods differ but Purpose is One.
>
> I again repeat- I prostrate a thousand times to all those responsible for
> this magnificent Temple, reflecting our glorious heritage, and that
> includes all the Kar Sevaks who gave their lives. Day before yesterday when
> I was watching it I prayed for their souls and lovingly and respectfully
> remembered them.
>
> Just a couple of remarks on your two mails.
>
> 1. Varnas and not Jathis, are based on one's occupation and is not by
> birth.
> If it is by birth then the Greatest Mantra - Mother of All Mantras,
> Gayathri Mantra, was actually given by a Kshahtriya called Viswamitra who
> through TAPAS,
> AND NOT BY BIRTH, became a Brahma Rishi and is now addressed respectfully
> as Sage Vuswamitra.
>
> 2. If, for argument's sake, just for argument's sake, we consider the 4th
> varna as coming from His Feet ( while some claim superiority because they
> think they came from HIS FACE), then let me point out
>
> In the Vishnu Temples the "Sadari" that we so respectfully and with
> devotion accept to be placed on our heads represents HIS FEET.
>
> So if we claim the 4th Varna came from His Feet, it is those Feet that we
> willingly place on our heads.
>
> It was Rama's Padhukas that ruled Ayodhya for 14 years and not a replica
> of His Face.
>
> Need I say more?
>
> I will stop here sir as I know arguments are futile. I believe strongly in
> Karma and hence I would not demean anyone. Who knows what we were in our
> previous births and what we will be in our next?
>
> I feel it is in all our interest to
> Give respect and Get Respected. "You get what you give" and so let us
> take care in what we give.
>
> Regards
>
> N Sekar
>
>
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> On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 7:56 AM, gopala krishnan
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> Dear Mr Sekar,
>
> Since you provided copy to groups on your response to the mail on the
> above topic from Mr Narayanaswamy, I felt I may express a few thoughts came
> to me on reading it.
>
> I was getting mails from Kanchimatam as *Deivathin kural *during 1998's.
> I recollect Periyavar stating birth is by caste and not by actions. By
> actions a Kshathriya or Vaisya can become *equal to a brahmin *and in
> next birth, he will be born in a brahmin family.
>
> A soodra may become equal to a Vaisya or Kshathriya or Brahmin by his
> noble actions, and *born in such a family in his next birth. *
>
> He stated Brahmins going away from their duties, not that because of such
> going away, Brahmins have become other castes because of the above.
>
> If I am wrong, you may express your opinion.
> Gopalakrishnan
>
> I understand during Thretha yuga only Hinduism was there with castes.
> Irrespective of caste, Lord Vishnu had his incarnation in different castes
> and actually incarnation was felt not during their life period.
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