Thanks for this suggestion, Mans - about copying and pasting in view mode - yes - it is a good simple fix - will try this.
I enjoyed the Wheatley article, too! Dickon On Apr 25, 7:39 pm, Måns <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Dickon, Alex and J > > Sometimes I get really "manual" or practical (don't know if it's the > right english expressions I'm using?) > When I can't figure how to make a program do things I know it could if > I only had had the skills or knowledge. > Hope I'm not getting too unclear. (English is *not* my first language) > What I wanted to say is that: When I don't know how to make something > on my pc - I might take a scissor, glue and paper to get the job done > (as I did 10 years ago btw..). > I sometimes have been forced to take a screenshot to save a picture of > code I would have lost otherwise - > > Your context: > When You have the resulting fET-table which is produced from the > questionaire in your TiddlyWiki - why not *just* copy it in viewmode - > and paste the list to a new tiddler - You could put a newJournal(Here) > button somewhere in the "TrafficLights" - give it a label "create > backup tiddler" (or what ever) - copy the tables (viewmode) and insert > the copied text into the "backupTiddler". > This way you can date the archived results and add notes to them as > well. > > Btw - I really like that article by Margaret Wheatly - it's common > sense reinvented in a world full of measures and measurements (ie > judgements and documented prejudice....) ! > > I like Your questionnaire - and I've even translated into Danish - > questions and all :-) > I'm a teacher at a Danish boardingschool - and we often make surveys > and questionnaires to evaluate the way we run things - ie ask students > questions about how they thrive. > We often discover problems, not with the students asked - but with > other students that they mention - when we ask if they know of anyone > who doesn't feel good or is mocked. > We often know the answer on these questions beforehand - but it is > vital to our work and the options we have - that we know how, and if > the other students experience the problem(s).. > > YS Måns Mårtensson > > On Apr 25, 5:54 pm, jnthnlstr <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Alex, > > > I found that article by Margaret Wheatley about measurement very > > enjoyable reading. Thanks for sharing. > > >http://www.margaretwheatley.com/articles/whymeasure.html > > > J. > > > On Apr 22, 9:00 am, alex <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hi Dickton, > > > > RE: the capacity to date and save the results so that a score at time > > > A can then be compared to one done later at Time B. > > > > I'm also interested in this: the biggest survey project I have on is > > > about surveying organisations. I think it could be done by adding date > > > data to the questions and generate them differently each time the > > > questionnaire is filled in. Its going to be some time before I start > > > thinking about this though. I have an 'IT guardian' helping me to > > > 'deliver' using a method called DSDM [1] which makes the easily > > > distracted 'developer' (me) focus on user interface first. I think > > > that once I am usingTiddlyWebthat I will be ready to add this > > > functionality. Collecting andsavingthe data and the project being > > > fully adopted would require some data storage expert's input. They who > > > still come from the nations that measure are now consumed by Micosoft > > > Excel. [2] > > > > Re: Wilfred Bion , unconscious links and neuroscience: *integrative* > > > tool. > > > > Dickton said: > > > There is a seminal paper (1959) in the field of psychoanalysis by a > > > British analyst called Wilfred Bion titled "Attacks on Linking", and > > > to summarise this very complex and dense piece of writing, he is > > > saying that unconscious processes (which might be construed as havinga > > > "vested interest" in remaining unconscious) "conspire" to keep apart > > > material that could and probably "should" be linked in the mind [3] > > > > "A piece of research about to be published in the Journal of Cognitive > > > Neuroscience, by Joydeep Bhattacharya at Goldsmiths’ College in London > > > and Bhavin Sheth at the University of Houston, in Texas, suggests that > > > although people are not consciously aware of it, their brains have to > > > be in a certain state for an insight to take place. Moreover, that > > > state can be detected electrically several seconds in advance of the > > > “aha!” moment itself." [4] > > > > Continuing the conversation about linking about "abstract notions such > > > as "What, precisely (semantically and pragmatically, that is), is a > > > link, and a tag?" and "what does non-linearity offer to the reader and > > > writer that more conventional linear text forms lack?" [3] > > > > I have been thinking about linking but mostly through the lens of > > > cybernetics and systems. Ross Ashby, Heinz von Forester, Maturana [5] > > > I am not thinking too hard about it: perhaps my mind has a > > > subconscious reason for this, by the conscious reason is that I don't > > > want to end up blowing a gasket. > > > > Alex > > > > [1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_Systems_Development_Method > > > [2]http://www.margaretwheatley.com/articles/whymeasure.html > > > [3] Bevington, D., Forms from Tiddlers - Applied TW's "Vs." TW > > > Development - TiddlyWiki | Google Groups. Available > > > at:http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki/msg/ad5f40b61088e13d > > > [Accessed April 22, 2009]. > > > [4] Unconscious thought precedes conscious: Incognito. The Economist. > > > Available > > > at:http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13489722 > > > [Accessed April 21, 2009]. > > > [5] Von Foerster, H., 1987. Understanding computers and cognition: A > > > new foundation of design : Terry Winograd and Fernando Flores Norwood, > > > NJ: Ablex Publishing Corporation, 1986, 207 pages, $24.95. > > > Technological Forecasting and Social Change, 32(3), 311-318. > > > > On Apr 22, 1:05 am,dickon<[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Thanks again Alex. Will try to look at these two ways of doing > > > > forms. Not sure I am the one to make a decision about which way is > > > > the best way to head with a view to getting as much fucntionality oput > > > > of these questionnaires as possible. > > > > > The other function I would really like (as if I can't I am condemned > > > > to export the data each time the questionnaire is completed) is the > > > > capacity to date and save the results so that a score at time A can > > > > then be compared to one done later at Time B. > > > > > Best, > > > > >Dickon > > > > > On Apr 19, 8:46 am, Alex Hough <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I've just used plugins and help to build my capacity. > > > > > I guess it has taken me months to kind of solve how to do the > > > > > questions, but once i found the plugins, understood how they worked, > > > > > messed about with questionnaires I can duplicate them quite quickly. I > > > > > am still not sure this way is the right way to go. > > > > > > Saq has a method whcih works withTiddlyWebwhich uses another way to > > > > > generate the forms. This might be better in the long run so that > > > > > multiple questionnaries can be colleceted togtrher. > > > > > > It might not be so great a jump to get from here to > > > > > > > allocating a score to each item according to whether it is not true, > > > > > > somewhat true or certainly true? > > > > > > It has scores: 1= not true , 2= somewhat true , 3 = certainly true. > > > > > These scores are captured in the tiddler with the help of DataTiddler > > > > > The for each tiddler plugin sorts the questions into not true etc. > > > > > using the numbers. > > > > > > To change the scores to 1 -5 lickert scale, you would have to add the > > > > > tiddler 'lickertTemplate' to your questions, rather than lickertSD > > > > > which is the one for the strenghts and difficulties. > > > > > > Erics story plugin makes it possible to open a collection of tiddlers > > > > > - a "story"- after closing all the other open tiddlers. In the > > > > > questionnare are two stories, the questions and the traffic lights > > > > > To make a story you make a tiddler and tag it "story". then add > > > > > [[links to other tiddlers]] in that tiddlers to all the tiddlers you > > > > > want including in the story > > > > > You then make a button with the macro thus: > > > > > > <<story [[name of tiddler tagged with 'story']] [[text to display on > > > > > the button]] [[tooltip]]>> > > > > > > Alex > > > > > Re:I am blown away by how quickly you did that. Thanks again, Alex. > > > > > I'm inspired by the help I have got here from Eric, FND etc. Its an > > > > > enormous pleasure to be able to do something of value in the > > > > > TiddlyWiki realm. Must be some kind of psychology behind that, some > > > > > group theory, the way the TW community has grown (and been > > > > > nurtured?)? > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > >Dickon > > > > > > > On 18 Apr, 17:49, Alex Hough <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> > I can feel some more late nights ahead. > > > > > > >> ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > >> I only have rare opportunities to help out in the TiddlyVerse - I > > > > > >> am > > > > > >> usually the recipient of Eric's, FND's and others' kind help > > > > > >> I put your questions into the my questionnaire TW [1] - I hope they > > > > > >> might be of some help to you or anyone else. > > > > > > >> Psychology, Linking, Tags and TiddlyWiki > > > > > >> ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > >> Interesting to be made aware of Wilfred Bion. I'll have a look at > > > > > >> his stuff. > > > > > > >> Alex > > > > > > >> [1]http://r.a.hough.googlepages.com/StrengthsandDifficultiesQuestionnai.... > > > > > > >> The final point in your comment is > > > > > > >> > particularly relevant and interesting to me - about the APPLIED > > > > > >> > side > > > > > >> > of TW's as opposed to (or //alongside//, rather) the technical > > > > > >> > developments that mostly leave me scratching my head at present > > > > > >> > (though I have high hopes...) > > > > > > >> > I have been playing with the content of my TiddlyWiki manual for > > > > > >> > a > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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