Hi Dickon, Alex and J Sometimes I get really "manual" or practical (don't know if it's the right english expressions I'm using?) When I can't figure how to make a program do things I know it could if I only had had the skills or knowledge. Hope I'm not getting too unclear. (English is *not* my first language) What I wanted to say is that: When I don't know how to make something on my pc - I might take a scissor, glue and paper to get the job done (as I did 10 years ago btw..). I sometimes have been forced to take a screenshot to save a picture of code I would have lost otherwise -
Your context: When You have the resulting fET-table which is produced from the questionaire in your TiddlyWiki - why not *just* copy it in viewmode - and paste the list to a new tiddler - You could put a newJournal(Here) button somewhere in the "TrafficLights" - give it a label "create backup tiddler" (or what ever) - copy the tables (viewmode) and insert the copied text into the "backupTiddler". This way you can date the archived results and add notes to them as well. Btw - I really like that article by Margaret Wheatly - it's common sense reinvented in a world full of measures and measurements (ie judgements and documented prejudice....) ! I like Your questionnaire - and I've even translated into Danish - questions and all :-) I'm a teacher at a Danish boardingschool - and we often make surveys and questionnaires to evaluate the way we run things - ie ask students questions about how they thrive. We often discover problems, not with the students asked - but with other students that they mention - when we ask if they know of anyone who doesn't feel good or is mocked. We often know the answer on these questions beforehand - but it is vital to our work and the options we have - that we know how, and if the other students experience the problem(s).. YS Måns Mårtensson On Apr 25, 5:54 pm, jnthnlstr <[email protected]> wrote: > Alex, > > I found that article by Margaret Wheatley about measurement very > enjoyable reading. Thanks for sharing. > > http://www.margaretwheatley.com/articles/whymeasure.html > > J. > > On Apr 22, 9:00 am, alex <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi Dickton, > > > RE: the capacity to date and save the results so that a score at time > > A can then be compared to one done later at Time B. > > > I'm also interested in this: the biggest survey project I have on is > > about surveying organisations. I think it could be done by adding date > > data to the questions and generate them differently each time the > > questionnaire is filled in. Its going to be some time before I start > > thinking about this though. I have an 'IT guardian' helping me to > > 'deliver' using a method called DSDM [1] which makes the easily > > distracted 'developer' (me) focus on user interface first. I think > > that once I am using TiddlyWeb that I will be ready to add this > > functionality. Collecting and saving the data and the project being > > fully adopted would require some data storage expert's input. They who > > still come from the nations that measure are now consumed by Micosoft > > Excel. [2] > > > Re: Wilfred Bion , unconscious links and neuroscience: *integrative* > > tool. > > > Dickton said: > > There is a seminal paper (1959) in the field of psychoanalysis by a > > British analyst called Wilfred Bion titled "Attacks on Linking", and > > to summarise this very complex and dense piece of writing, he is > > saying that unconscious processes (which might be construed as havinga > > "vested interest" in remaining unconscious) "conspire" to keep apart > > material that could and probably "should" be linked in the mind [3] > > > "A piece of research about to be published in the Journal of Cognitive > > Neuroscience, by Joydeep Bhattacharya at Goldsmiths’ College in London > > and Bhavin Sheth at the University of Houston, in Texas, suggests that > > although people are not consciously aware of it, their brains have to > > be in a certain state for an insight to take place. Moreover, that > > state can be detected electrically several seconds in advance of the > > “aha!” moment itself." [4] > > > Continuing the conversation about linking about "abstract notions such > > as "What, precisely (semantically and pragmatically, that is), is a > > link, and a tag?" and "what does non-linearity offer to the reader and > > writer that more conventional linear text forms lack?" [3] > > > I have been thinking about linking but mostly through the lens of > > cybernetics and systems. Ross Ashby, Heinz von Forester, Maturana [5] > > I am not thinking too hard about it: perhaps my mind has a > > subconscious reason for this, by the conscious reason is that I don't > > want to end up blowing a gasket. > > > Alex > > > [1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_Systems_Development_Method > > [2]http://www.margaretwheatley.com/articles/whymeasure.html > > [3] Bevington, D., Forms from Tiddlers - Applied TW's "Vs." TW > > Development - TiddlyWiki | Google Groups. Available > > at:http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki/msg/ad5f40b61088e13d > > [Accessed April 22, 2009]. > > [4] Unconscious thought precedes conscious: Incognito. The Economist. > > Available > > at:http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13489722 > > [Accessed April 21, 2009]. > > [5] Von Foerster, H., 1987. Understanding computers and cognition: A > > new foundation of design : Terry Winograd and Fernando Flores Norwood, > > NJ: Ablex Publishing Corporation, 1986, 207 pages, $24.95. > > Technological Forecasting and Social Change, 32(3), 311-318. > > > On Apr 22, 1:05 am,dickon<[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Thanks again Alex. Will try to look at these two ways of doing > > > forms. Not sure I am the one to make a decision about which way is > > > the best way to head with a view to getting as much fucntionality oput > > > of these questionnaires as possible. > > > > The other function I would really like (as if I can't I am condemned > > > to export the data each time the questionnaire is completed) is the > > > capacity to date and save the results so that a score at time A can > > > then be compared to one done later at Time B. > > > > Best, > > > >Dickon > > > > On Apr 19, 8:46 am, Alex Hough <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I've just used plugins and help to build my capacity. > > > > I guess it has taken me months to kind of solve how to do the > > > > questions, but once i found the plugins, understood how they worked, > > > > messed about with questionnaires I can duplicate them quite quickly. I > > > > am still not sure this way is the right way to go. > > > > > Saq has a method whcih works with TiddlyWeb which uses another way to > > > > generate the forms. This might be better in the long run so that > > > > multiple questionnaries can be colleceted togtrher. > > > > > It might not be so great a jump to get from here to > > > > > > allocating a score to each item according to whether it is not true, > > > > > somewhat true or certainly true? > > > > > It has scores: 1= not true , 2= somewhat true , 3 = certainly true. > > > > These scores are captured in the tiddler with the help of DataTiddler > > > > The for each tiddler plugin sorts the questions into not true etc. > > > > using the numbers. > > > > > To change the scores to 1 -5 lickert scale, you would have to add the > > > > tiddler 'lickertTemplate' to your questions, rather than lickertSD > > > > which is the one for the strenghts and difficulties. > > > > > Erics story plugin makes it possible to open a collection of tiddlers > > > > - a "story"- after closing all the other open tiddlers. In the > > > > questionnare are two stories, the questions and the traffic lights > > > > To make a story you make a tiddler and tag it "story". then add > > > > [[links to other tiddlers]] in that tiddlers to all the tiddlers you > > > > want including in the story > > > > You then make a button with the macro thus: > > > > > <<story [[name of tiddler tagged with 'story']] [[text to display on > > > > the button]] [[tooltip]]>> > > > > > Alex > > > > Re:I am blown away by how quickly you did that. Thanks again, Alex. > > > > I'm inspired by the help I have got here from Eric, FND etc. Its an > > > > enormous pleasure to be able to do something of value in the > > > > TiddlyWiki realm. Must be some kind of psychology behind that, some > > > > group theory, the way the TW community has grown (and been > > > > nurtured?)? > > > > > > Best, > > > > > >Dickon > > > > > > On 18 Apr, 17:49, Alex Hough <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > I can feel some more late nights ahead. > > > > > >> ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >> I only have rare opportunities to help out in the TiddlyVerse - I am > > > > >> usually the recipient of Eric's, FND's and others' kind help > > > > >> I put your questions into the my questionnaire TW [1] - I hope they > > > > >> might be of some help to you or anyone else. > > > > > >> Psychology, Linking, Tags and TiddlyWiki > > > > >> ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >> Interesting to be made aware of Wilfred Bion. I'll have a look at > > > > >> his stuff. > > > > > >> Alex > > > > > >> [1]http://r.a.hough.googlepages.com/StrengthsandDifficultiesQuestionnai.... > > > > > >> The final point in your comment is > > > > > >> > particularly relevant and interesting to me - about the APPLIED > > > > >> > side > > > > >> > of TW's as opposed to (or //alongside//, rather) the technical > > > > >> > developments that mostly leave me scratching my head at present > > > > >> > (though I have high hopes...) > > > > > >> > I have been playing with the content of my TiddlyWiki manual for a > > > > >> > long time now, but certainly would not claim any specific > > > > >> > competencies > > > > >> > (at all!) in the programming side of things; rather, it is the > > > > >> > APPLICATION of this elegantly different writing format that > > > > >> > fascinates > > > > >> > me, and what it can bring to real life tasks, like running a team > > > > >> > who > > > > >> > are trying to do a complex set of tasks better, and in a more > > > > >> > joined- > > > > >> > up way. > > > > > >> > I am fascinated in the way that TW works not just as an > > > > >> > *analytical* > > > > >> > tool (splitting a complex area up into branches/tags, much as a > > > > >> > 'mind > > > > >> > map' can do on paper) but that simultaneously it works as an > > > > >> > *integrative* tool (linking distant branches/twigs) so that I > > > > >> > sometimes envisage the web of information in a TW as being 3- > > > > >> > dimensional: Tags spreading out over the surface of a sphere, > > > > >> > Links > > > > >> > diving through the core to their targets, though of course this is > > > > >> > too > > > > >> > simple in reality. > > > > > >> > Hence I am very interested in rather abstract notions such as > > > > >> > "What, > > > > >> > precisely (semantically and pragmatically, that is), is a link, > > > > >> > and a > > > > >> > tag?" and "what does non-linearity offer to the reader and writer > > > > >> > that > > > > >> > more conventional linear text forms lack? - and what do we risk > > > > >> > losing > > > > >> > by not having a linear statement of an argument?" Clearly this is > > > > >> > a > > > > >> > Both-And rather than an Either-Or situation. No doubt others have > > > > >> > thought long and hard about these questions already, and I would be > > > > >> > most interested if there are any pointers to where I can connect up > > > > >> > with this conversation. > > > > > >> > There is a seminal paper (1959) in the field of psychoanalysis by a > > > > >> > British analyst called Wilfred Bion titled "Attacks on Linking", > > > > >> > and > > > > >> > to summarise this very complex and dense piece of writing, he is > > > > >> > saying that unconscious processes (which might be construed as > > > > >> > having > > > > >> > a "vested interest" in remaining unconscious) "conspire" to keep > > > > >> > apart > > > > >> > material that could and probably "should" be linked in the mind > > > > >> > ("Don't bore me with the facts, I like my story the > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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