Very nice, Mohammad! On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 6:00 AM Mohammad <[email protected]> wrote:
> David, > This is a small but nice tutorial on Tiddlywiki edition: Maarfapad > > https://cdn.rawgit.com/abesamma/TW5-editions/78846468/empty.html > > --Mohammad > > On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 5:33:46 AM UTC+3:30, David Gifford > wrote: >> >> The Hackaday name to this thread hides the importance of this thread. >> Glad I happened to notice how many posts it had, to see that it had to do >> with something as momentous as a namechange for TW. >> >> Reactions: >> >> 1) Oh, dear, no more dilly-dallying or shilly-shallying willy-nilly in >> TiddlyWiki. :-) >> >> 2) I would agree that it is hard to avoid hearing snickers when I mention >> I use something called "TiddlyWiki", and don't see downsides. A name change >> won't attract people, but it will reduce a barrier. >> >> 3) All the good ones are taken: NoteStack, JotStack, WikiStack, >> NoteConnect, NoteGarden, IdeaGarden, NoteBoat, IdeaBucket, ThoughtRiver, >> BrainCapture, Brainstream, ideastream, notestream, ... Would have been >> easier to do this years ago...FreeBrain looks like it is not taken, but >> someone could confuse it with FreeMind, which is taken (mindmapping)... >> >> 4) Some criteria: >> a) Easy to say, rolls off the tongue, the spelling does not leave the >> pronunciation ambiguous (illo: Mindriver = MindRiver or MinDriver?) >> b) Not offputting for either non-techy users or serious coders (e.g. not >> "ConcatenationWiki") >> c) Nothing obscene or tiddlating :-) (I am North American but had not >> heard of tiddler being considered obscene.) >> d) Nothing that will become obsolete, like a reference to a trend (not >> "NoteCardashians") >> e) Fits no matter how it is used - node.js, standalone, local, online or >> from USB >> f) I like cards for tiddlers but if 'cards' is in the name of the file, >> people might assume it is a flashcard program >> >> 5) Another option for tiddlers instead of cards might be 'tiles' - but >> please not TileyWiki. And lots of 'tile' names like Tile Pile and >> tilestream are taken too... >> >> 6) Cynical options, all in good fun: LearningCurve, EndlessFiddlyWiki, >> ListFilterLabrynth... >> >> Oh well, that is my initial response. Hope you had fun reading it. Some >> points are serious, others not so much... >> >> On Monday, February 17, 2020 at 10:12:44 AM UTC-6, Jeremy Ruston wrote: >>> >>> Just to add to Mark's comment: It has been clear for a few years that >>> some users find the terms "TiddlyWiki" and "tiddler" to be a barrier to >>> taking it seriously. In particular, while the word "tiddler" is common and >>> innocent enough in Britain, it appears that for quite a few North American >>> users it carries obscene connotations that they consider self-evident. >>> >>> There's an example in this recent tweet: >>> >>> > It's all fun and games until you pass away and your significant other >>> has to log into something called TiddlyWiki and browse through Tiddlers to >>> find your last will testament. >>> >>> (See https://twitter.com/remembersonly/status/1228729946656428032) >>> >>> I have recently been thinking through what would be involved in a name >>> change, and am starting to think that it might not be a terrible idea. >>> >>> In order to understand some of the issues, I made a very simple >>> experiment where I wrote a script that takes the prerelease index.html and >>> applies the following four global search and replacements across the file: >>> >>> * TiddlyWiki --> FooBarWiki >>> * tiddlywiki --> foobarwiki >>> * Tiddler --> Card >>> * tiddler --> card >>> >>> The result is a fully functional TiddlyWiki with no remaining references >>> to the words "tiddlywiki" or "tiddler". Not only is the user interface text >>> fixed, the `<$tiddler>` widget becomes the `<$card>` widget, and the >>> `<$tranclude tiddler=foo/>` widget becomes `<$tranclude card=foo/>` etc. >>> >>> That simple approach is unlikely to be the way that we'd want to >>> approach the name change, but it establishes the technical feasibility of >>> changing the name. >>> >>> We'd need to provide an upgrade path for existing users. Perhaps we'd >>> keep tiddlywiki.com running for 12 months with a build that uses the >>> terms TiddlyWiki and tiddler, and a separate build at foobarwiki.com >>> with the new terminology. We'd also need a conversion tool for updating >>> individual wikis: we could offer an online tool and a command line option >>> for Node.js. >>> >>> There's lots of interesting questions to consider before we even try to >>> settle on the new name itself, and I'm interested to hear other views. >>> >>> * Is it worth the effort of changing the name? >>> * What are the downsides of doing so? >>> * Coming up with suggestions for the new name is relatively easy, but >>> what are the criteria that we should use to test the new name? (We wouldn't >>> want to have to change it again) >>> * Should we seek to keep things simple by choosing a name that retains >>> the TW initials? >>> >>> Best wishes >>> >>> Jeremy >>> >>> Best wishes >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jeremy Ruston >>> [email protected] >>> https://jermolene.com >>> >>> On 17 Feb 2020, at 15:53, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> These discussions about extending the outreach of TW always center >>> around some hypothetical >>> newby who is turned away by the complexity of TW. The reality is, that >>> the first time we >>> learn of the existence of a new comer, they're asking for advice on some >>> complicated, >>> convoluted mechanism that they've already devised. The technological >>> barrier doesn't seem >>> to keep motivated people away. >>> >>> Listen to the Podcast. What's keeping people away is the *name*. >>> >>> I know it's irrational to chose an information management system based >>> on a name, but >>> we live in an age of hyper-marketing -- everything gets marketed, >>> branded, recognized. >>> So if something is under-branded it goes nowhere no matter how good it >>> is because it's >>> up against hundreds of products with serious, professional sounding >>> names. >>> >>> The name TiddlyWiki suggests a kid's game or plaything. It suggests >>> something that >>> someone made for fun but won't be here tomorrow. It doesn't suggest >>> something that >>> you could do serious work with or store your vital information in. It >>> doesn't suggest >>> something that will be here in 25 years. >>> >>> OneNote, Evernote, Cintanotes, Google Keep ... all have names that >>> you're not afraid >>> to say in an IT staff meeting. Names you don't have to mumble under your >>> breath >>> when you explain how you did something. And, you don't have to actually >>> get rid of >>> the name TiddlyWiki. You just make the publicly visible name something >>> like "TW Technology." "Wiki-T" . >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, February 15, 2020 at 10:28:06 AM UTC-8, bimlas wrote: >>>> >>>> A wave started which could make TiddlyWiki more and more famous. *Now* >>>> we might need to make it really user-friendly, so that new people can >>>> easily get over the initial difficulties and stay with Tiddly. >>>> >>>> >>>> https://hackaday.com/2020/02/14/it-aint-over-til-the-paperwork-is-done-test-driving-tiddlywiki/ >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/ef02ea13-000d-4303-800c-230cbbe3ba22%40googlegroups.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/ef02ea13-000d-4303-800c-230cbbe3ba22%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >>> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/MKVwkEmCimQ/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/8ed9be84-5d21-4c2c-adc5-341ae82573ab%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/8ed9be84-5d21-4c2c-adc5-341ae82573ab%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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