No conclusion yet! On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 3:24:28 PM UTC+3:30, Mohammad wrote: > > Hi Jeremy, > This post got many discussion and views! > > It is good to have your preliminary conclusion and see if any decision > should make or not! > > --Mohammad > > On Monday, February 17, 2020 at 7:42:44 PM UTC+3:30, Jeremy Ruston wrote: >> >> Just to add to Mark's comment: It has been clear for a few years that >> some users find the terms "TiddlyWiki" and "tiddler" to be a barrier to >> taking it seriously. In particular, while the word "tiddler" is common and >> innocent enough in Britain, it appears that for quite a few North American >> users it carries obscene connotations that they consider self-evident. >> >> There's an example in this recent tweet: >> >> > It's all fun and games until you pass away and your significant other >> has to log into something called TiddlyWiki and browse through Tiddlers to >> find your last will testament. >> >> (See https://twitter.com/remembersonly/status/1228729946656428032) >> >> I have recently been thinking through what would be involved in a name >> change, and am starting to think that it might not be a terrible idea. >> >> In order to understand some of the issues, I made a very simple >> experiment where I wrote a script that takes the prerelease index.html and >> applies the following four global search and replacements across the file: >> >> * TiddlyWiki --> FooBarWiki >> * tiddlywiki --> foobarwiki >> * Tiddler --> Card >> * tiddler --> card >> >> The result is a fully functional TiddlyWiki with no remaining references >> to the words "tiddlywiki" or "tiddler". Not only is the user interface text >> fixed, the `<$tiddler>` widget becomes the `<$card>` widget, and the >> `<$tranclude tiddler=foo/>` widget becomes `<$tranclude card=foo/>` etc. >> >> That simple approach is unlikely to be the way that we'd want to approach >> the name change, but it establishes the technical feasibility of changing >> the name. >> >> We'd need to provide an upgrade path for existing users. Perhaps we'd >> keep tiddlywiki.com running for 12 months with a build that uses the >> terms TiddlyWiki and tiddler, and a separate build at foobarwiki.com >> with the new terminology. We'd also need a conversion tool for updating >> individual wikis: we could offer an online tool and a command line option >> for Node.js. >> >> There's lots of interesting questions to consider before we even try to >> settle on the new name itself, and I'm interested to hear other views. >> >> * Is it worth the effort of changing the name? >> * What are the downsides of doing so? >> * Coming up with suggestions for the new name is relatively easy, but >> what are the criteria that we should use to test the new name? (We wouldn't >> want to have to change it again) >> * Should we seek to keep things simple by choosing a name that retains >> the TW initials? >> >> Best wishes >> >> Jeremy >> >> Best wishes >> >> >> -- >> Jeremy Ruston >> [email protected] >> https://jermolene.com >> >> On 17 Feb 2020, at 15:53, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> These discussions about extending the outreach of TW always center around >> some hypothetical >> newby who is turned away by the complexity of TW. The reality is, that >> the first time we >> learn of the existence of a new comer, they're asking for advice on some >> complicated, >> convoluted mechanism that they've already devised. The technological >> barrier doesn't seem >> to keep motivated people away. >> >> Listen to the Podcast. What's keeping people away is the *name*. >> >> I know it's irrational to chose an information management system based on >> a name, but >> we live in an age of hyper-marketing -- everything gets marketed, >> branded, recognized. >> So if something is under-branded it goes nowhere no matter how good it is >> because it's >> up against hundreds of products with serious, professional sounding names. >> >> The name TiddlyWiki suggests a kid's game or plaything. It suggests >> something that >> someone made for fun but won't be here tomorrow. It doesn't suggest >> something that >> you could do serious work with or store your vital information in. It >> doesn't suggest >> something that will be here in 25 years. >> >> OneNote, Evernote, Cintanotes, Google Keep ... all have names that you're >> not afraid >> to say in an IT staff meeting. Names you don't have to mumble under your >> breath >> when you explain how you did something. And, you don't have to actually >> get rid of >> the name TiddlyWiki. You just make the publicly visible name something >> like "TW Technology." "Wiki-T" . >> >> >> >> >> On Saturday, February 15, 2020 at 10:28:06 AM UTC-8, bimlas wrote: >>> >>> A wave started which could make TiddlyWiki more and more famous. *Now* >>> we might need to make it really user-friendly, so that new people can >>> easily get over the initial difficulties and stay with Tiddly. >>> >>> >>> https://hackaday.com/2020/02/14/it-aint-over-til-the-paperwork-is-done-test-driving-tiddlywiki/ >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TiddlyWiki" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/ef02ea13-000d-4303-800c-230cbbe3ba22%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/ef02ea13-000d-4303-800c-230cbbe3ba22%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> >>
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