Dave: the parallel tab breaking may have been an inadverdent result of me hurriedly hacking both the story in a tab, as well as the parallel two story layouts into TiddlyBlink. I don't see any reason why the original way you had that working should break, so that should hopefully get automatically resolved when we do this a bit more systematically. Note that it does seem to work when I paste a title like TiddlyBlink into it on the parallel tab on your demo at https://giffmex.org/experiments/doubleblink.html
If you want a third story in the parallel tab.... that could work too but would require a few tweaks. One potential use for that tab could be as a sort of a workspace drawer, where you drag and drop tiddler titles that know you will need for what you are working on, but do not want open at the moment. I have a similar setup in one of my wikis. I will work through what we have discussed as time allows, and keep you updated. No worries, we are on the same page. I view you as a product owner representing everyone that does and might use the end product you are working on :) Regards, Saq On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 7:57:55 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote: > > Hi Saq, thanks for the detailed reply. See my comments below in* bold*. > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 12:27 PM Saq Imtiaz <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> Hi David, >> >> I'm glad the quick integration was helpful. I suggest we move beyond >> that but take a little time to discuss exactly which functionality and >> behaviour we want. After which I can help identify the necessary bits and >> even tweak things if necessary. >> >> Agreed on the dropzones, I never use them. >> So the functionality you want is: >> - shift click to open in the second story >> > *Yes* > >> - shift click edit button to open in second story in edit template? >> > > *?? No, I don't think so.* > >> - divert buttons >> > > *Yes. * > > > *Before I forget - did you do something to my parallel tab? It wasn't > working. Was that a necessary change so that the stories would work?* > >> >> A couple of other things to consider: >> - the second story is currently set to classic storyview as there were >> issues with the one you are using for TiddlyBlink. This allows for more >> than one tiddler to be open in the second story. Is that OK or do you want >> to limit that to one? Perhaps allow more tiddlers but have a different view >> template that makes it easier to fold them? >> > > *I think classic storyview for both columns would be best.* > > *I was even thinking about adding the ability to easily fold tiddlers. See > how this is done in Roam in the attached gif* > > >> - I personally like the idea of being able to hide the second story even >> if there is a tiddler(s) open it, and be able to restore it later and pick >> up where you were. Is this behaviour something you want? I sometimes use >> the second story a bit like a "to do" list and like being able to come back >> to it when needed. >> > > *I do too, but it should be viewed by default in the online file so people > are aware of it.* > >> >> Also if you give me a little time, I can go through the components we >> would be adding to TiddlyBlink to see if they can be optimized or cleaned >> up. As I mentioned I wrote this when first getting to know TW5 and I am >> sure there are tricks I missed and core improvements since that we can >> leverage. I am happy to help just please keep in mind that my schedule is a >> bit crazy at the moment, as I am volunteering at the local hospital. So I >> go from having a fair bit of time to some very busy days. >> > > *I am not in a rush, and appreciate your willingness to help me on this. > You and so many people here have been so generous with their time and > skills. But please don't think of it as being for me, but for TiddlyWiki, > to have a wickedly good TW 'app' to get people on board* > >> >> Keep in mind that everything about the appearance of the story, the >> settings at which it becomes visible etc is all done via CSS which we can >> customize as much as necessary to fit your workflow and vision. >> Perhaps we can look up some screen resolution stats to see what a good >> cut off point for showing two stories should be. But I also feel like with >> a horizontal resolution of less than 1270, there just isn't enough screen >> space for two stories. >> You could maybe push it down to 1024 but then show the sidebar >> overlapping the second story? The idea being to show it when needed and >> otherwise keep it hidden. >> > > *I am not sure. I think my laptop is roughly standard size: 15" diagonal > screen, 1920 x 1080 resolution, and the tiddlers are just wide enough to > work on even when the sidebar is showing.* > >> >> Note that the divert buttons are already in that prototype I posted, they >> just aren't visible until two stories are active, which from what I >> remember is purely css based. Making that visible at all times would >> therefore not be difficult. >> $:/_sq/Stories/divertTiddlerMacro >> > > *Oh, and sure enough, they are visible on > https://giffmex.org/experiments/doubleblink.html > <https://giffmex.org/experiments/doubleblink.html>, how did I miss that?* > >> >> >> I haven't looked into packaging things as a plugin for TW5 but if >> necessary we can go that route. Alternatively creating a button people can >> drag is easy. We either tag all the tiddlers or just use a filter as below: >> <$button class="tc-tag-label tc-btn-invisible" >> dragFilter="[prefix[$:/_sq/Stories]] >> $:/core/ui/Buttons/more-tiddler-actions >> $:/config/_sq/Stories/story2 $:/config/Tiddlers/TitleLinks >> $:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/options/sidebarlayout">Drag me to >> install</$button> >> >> Button widgets support a dragFilter attribute so we can make the payload >> for drag and drop whatever we need it to be. >> > > *I actually have TiddlyBlink set up so that the user can drag the 'tb' tag > pill to his or her own file. I would prefer to just tag one sq/stories > plugin tiddler so that that is added to the list.* > > > *Thanks again, Saq! Blessings to you. Hope whatever personal issues you > were facing are behind you, for your sake.* > >> >> Regards, >> Saq >> >> >> On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 5:55:54 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote: >>> >>> I agree with Diego, the TiddlyBlink with two columns, for those using >>> laptops, is the way to go. Coincidentally, it means you could have a list >>> of links in the parallel tab, and two story columns, so THREE tiddlers open >>> side by side. >>> >>> Also, I think you said it, and I just want to concur, the drop zones are >>> superfluous and unnecessary if you have shift-click and divert buttons. >>> >>> I would like to update TiddlyBlink with this, or else make a special >>> version of TiddlyBlink for this. But I want users to be able to drag it in >>> with a tag pill into their own files. Would I need to tag each of those >>> tiddlers individually? Or could this be a plugin? >>> >>> Also, what would be the optimal settings so that most laptop users would >>> see two columns upon arriving? I had to change it to 1270 to see them >>> because your files appear as one column for me. But would 1270 be >>> sufficient for most users? >>> >>> Finally, what tiddlers would be needed for the divert buttons? I like >>> that functionality. >>> >>> This is really great, Saq. You sure came back with a grand gesture of >>> generosity and genius! >>> >>> On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 9:57:39 AM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote: >>>> >>>> For those that are interested, here a few variations to play with that >>>> I hope you might find useful. These are all quick integrations that will >>>> hopefully serve as a starting point for anyone that finds this useful. >>>> >>>> - Alternate behaviour where the second story is automatically shown >>>> when there is at least one tiddler open it. Shift click a tiddler link: >>>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/two-story-alt.html >>>> >>>> The above behaviour applies to the next two as well: >>>> >>>> - TiddlyBlink with a substory in the parallel tab: >>>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/tiddlyblink-with-tab-story.html >>>> >>>> - TiddlyBlink with two parallel stories (not in a tab): >>>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/tiddlyblink-two-story-saq.html >>>> >>>> Original version of my two story implementation: >>>> http://sq-twostories.tiddlyspot.com/ >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Saq >>>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/d60QYKycUCY/unsubscribe. >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> [email protected] <javascript:>. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/12b390ee-4d1b-470e-976c-bb0fe4e827a0%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/12b390ee-4d1b-470e-976c-bb0fe4e827a0%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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