*Hi Saq,*

Wow, thanks for the demo! Wasn't expecting anything until next week, since
you said you were pretty busy. See my replies in *bold*

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 3:21 PM Saq Imtiaz <[email protected]> wrote:

> Updated demo: https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/doubleblink.html
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> I have only spent a few minutes looking at Roam, but from what I saw
> doesn't it have one note open on the left, and can have several open in the
> sidebar on the right?
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*Yes, good point, the fixed one is left and you can have a river of open
pages in the sidebar. I guess it all comes down to whether the column with
'one fixed tiddler' is considered the primary column or the secondary
column. Or maybe we need to forget that question since there are many ways
to use it.*

> Anyway, good to take inspiration but ultimately the aim should be to
> create a workflow that makes sense and is useful.
>

*Since we both had the same personal preference, let's run with one on left
and river on right.*

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> These are the eyesore icons I am referring to, which can be used to
> hide/show the second story without closing all the tiddlers in it:
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*Ah, I am seeing that in the demo you link to in this post, but it wasn't
in the demo you sent before that I turned into DoubleBlink.*

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> The behaviour for the display of the second story is as follows:
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>    - the second story is always closed when there is no tiddler open it
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>    - shift clicking any tiddler link opens the second story and the
>    tiddler there.
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> *good *

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>    - with the second story open, you have a button you can use to toggle
>    it. That is, you can leave tiddlers open in the second story but hide the
>    story, and open it again later.
>    In my personal use I have found this extremely useful, and anyone that
>    doesn't want this functionality can not use it or disable it.
>    - We need better icons and need to consider where to place this
>    button, perhaps in the page controls alone is enough?
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> *Page control is enough, I think. The icon you used doesn't bother me. It
communicates the idea well. Not sure what you are thinking. *

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>    - (Personally I also use a keyboard shortcut for this) The button in
>    the page control area can already be disabled via configuration options and
>    the one in the side bar can also be made a config option.
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> Regarding folding:
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>    - you could put the fold button to the left of the tiddler title.
>    Alternatively the tiddler title itself could be clickable and act to
>    fold/unfold the tiddler.
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> *Yes, left of the tiddler title is good and imitates Roam. With narrow
columns, I am wondering about tiddler titles. Is there a way to drop them
down below the toolbar? I tried once a couple of years ago and it looked
really complicated.*

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>    - I do feel like "fold others" would be useful if offered better
>    affordance.
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> *I would say to make it optional or have it in More. Already too many
buttons*

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>    - Note that I bake in the setting that turns all Tiddler titles into
>    links. This is handy to shift-click and open the same tiddler in the other
>    story. However, this and the divert buttons offer very similar
>    functionality and we don't necessarily need both.
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> *Not a big fan of titles as links. I do a lot of printing from tw's, and
treat titles as text. At least this is fairly easy for users to add if they
want.*

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>    - Shift+ click on the title opens the same tiddler in the other story,
>    now you have it in both stories. Divert moves it to the other story.
>    So there is room here to choose one of the two and either not have the
>    tiddler titles as links, or not have the divert buttons and free up toolbar
>    space.
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> *Great!*


*You didn't mention it, but the sidebar over the column is great. Right way
to go. *

*FYI, The 'divert to the left' is just closing the tiddlers on the right,
not diverting them.*

*Oh, wait, with the sidebar set up like this, there is no way to horizontal
scroll. Some of the tiddlers in the system tab are long and unreadable. Not
sure what to do about that. I still prefer the sidebar coming out over the
right column.But it makes sections of the system and shadow tabs unusable.*


*At some point I will try to reduce the space between the two columns by
half, and add that space to the far right so the right side tiddlers don't
touch the side. *

*I can actually see myself using the Open tab with a setup like this,
something I never use (because I typically use zoomin)*

Regards,
> Saq
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