Thanks Saq I think I would like to leave the parallel tab as it is on its homepage https://giffmex.org/gifts/tiddlyblink.html rather than tweak it at this point. It is almost superfluous and could be removed. But I may replace it with a Favorites plugin tab.
Blessings On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 2:04 PM Saq Imtiaz <[email protected]> wrote: > Dave: the parallel tab breaking may have been an inadverdent result of me > hurriedly hacking both the story in a tab, as well as the parallel two > story layouts into TiddlyBlink. > I don't see any reason why the original way you had that working should > break, so that should hopefully get automatically resolved when we do this > a bit more systematically. > Note that it does seem to work when I paste a title like TiddlyBlink into > it on the parallel tab on your demo at > https://giffmex.org/experiments/doubleblink.html > > If you want a third story in the parallel tab.... that could work too but > would require a few tweaks. > One potential use for that tab could be as a sort of a workspace drawer, > where you drag and drop tiddler titles that know you will need for what you > are working on, but do not want open at the moment. I have a similar setup > in one of my wikis. > > I will work through what we have discussed as time allows, and keep you > updated. No worries, we are on the same page. I view you as a product owner > representing everyone that does and might use the end product you are > working on :) > > Regards, > Saq > > On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 7:57:55 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote: >> >> Hi Saq, thanks for the detailed reply. See my comments below in* bold*. >> >> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 12:27 PM Saq Imtiaz <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi David, >>> >>> I'm glad the quick integration was helpful. I suggest we move beyond >>> that but take a little time to discuss exactly which functionality and >>> behaviour we want. After which I can help identify the necessary bits and >>> even tweak things if necessary. >>> >>> Agreed on the dropzones, I never use them. >>> So the functionality you want is: >>> - shift click to open in the second story >>> >> *Yes* >> >>> - shift click edit button to open in second story in edit template? >>> >> >> *?? No, I don't think so.* >> >>> - divert buttons >>> >> >> *Yes. * >> >> >> *Before I forget - did you do something to my parallel tab? It wasn't >> working. Was that a necessary change so that the stories would work?* >> >>> >>> A couple of other things to consider: >>> - the second story is currently set to classic storyview as there were >>> issues with the one you are using for TiddlyBlink. This allows for more >>> than one tiddler to be open in the second story. Is that OK or do you want >>> to limit that to one? Perhaps allow more tiddlers but have a different view >>> template that makes it easier to fold them? >>> >> >> *I think classic storyview for both columns would be best.* >> >> *I was even thinking about adding the ability to easily fold tiddlers. >> See how this is done in Roam in the attached gif* >> >> >>> - I personally like the idea of being able to hide the second story even >>> if there is a tiddler(s) open it, and be able to restore it later and pick >>> up where you were. Is this behaviour something you want? I sometimes use >>> the second story a bit like a "to do" list and like being able to come back >>> to it when needed. >>> >> >> *I do too, but it should be viewed by default in the online file so >> people are aware of it.* >> >>> >>> Also if you give me a little time, I can go through the components we >>> would be adding to TiddlyBlink to see if they can be optimized or cleaned >>> up. As I mentioned I wrote this when first getting to know TW5 and I am >>> sure there are tricks I missed and core improvements since that we can >>> leverage. I am happy to help just please keep in mind that my schedule is a >>> bit crazy at the moment, as I am volunteering at the local hospital. So I >>> go from having a fair bit of time to some very busy days. >>> >> >> *I am not in a rush, and appreciate your willingness to help me on this. >> You and so many people here have been so generous with their time and >> skills. But please don't think of it as being for me, but for TiddlyWiki, >> to have a wickedly good TW 'app' to get people on board* >> >>> >>> Keep in mind that everything about the appearance of the story, the >>> settings at which it becomes visible etc is all done via CSS which we can >>> customize as much as necessary to fit your workflow and vision. >>> Perhaps we can look up some screen resolution stats to see what a good >>> cut off point for showing two stories should be. But I also feel like with >>> a horizontal resolution of less than 1270, there just isn't enough screen >>> space for two stories. >>> You could maybe push it down to 1024 but then show the sidebar >>> overlapping the second story? The idea being to show it when needed and >>> otherwise keep it hidden. >>> >> >> *I am not sure. I think my laptop is roughly standard size: 15" diagonal >> screen, 1920 x 1080 resolution, and the tiddlers are just wide enough to >> work on even when the sidebar is showing.* >> >>> >>> Note that the divert buttons are already in that prototype I posted, >>> they just aren't visible until two stories are active, which from what I >>> remember is purely css based. Making that visible at all times would >>> therefore not be difficult. >>> $:/_sq/Stories/divertTiddlerMacro >>> >> >> *Oh, and sure enough, they are visible on >> https://giffmex.org/experiments/doubleblink.html >> <https://giffmex.org/experiments/doubleblink.html>, how did I miss that?* >> >>> >>> >>> I haven't looked into packaging things as a plugin for TW5 but if >>> necessary we can go that route. Alternatively creating a button people can >>> drag is easy. We either tag all the tiddlers or just use a filter as below: >>> <$button class="tc-tag-label tc-btn-invisible" >>> dragFilter="[prefix[$:/_sq/Stories]] >>> $:/core/ui/Buttons/more-tiddler-actions >>> $:/config/_sq/Stories/story2 $:/config/Tiddlers/TitleLinks >>> $:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/options/sidebarlayout">Drag me to >>> install</$button> >>> >>> Button widgets support a dragFilter attribute so we can make the payload >>> for drag and drop whatever we need it to be. >>> >> >> *I actually have TiddlyBlink set up so that the user can drag the 'tb' >> tag pill to his or her own file. I would prefer to just tag one sq/stories >> plugin tiddler so that that is added to the list.* >> >> >> *Thanks again, Saq! Blessings to you. Hope whatever personal issues you >> were facing are behind you, for your sake.* >> >>> >>> Regards, >>> Saq >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 5:55:54 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote: >>>> >>>> I agree with Diego, the TiddlyBlink with two columns, for those using >>>> laptops, is the way to go. Coincidentally, it means you could have a list >>>> of links in the parallel tab, and two story columns, so THREE tiddlers open >>>> side by side. >>>> >>>> Also, I think you said it, and I just want to concur, the drop zones >>>> are superfluous and unnecessary if you have shift-click and divert buttons. >>>> >>>> I would like to update TiddlyBlink with this, or else make a special >>>> version of TiddlyBlink for this. But I want users to be able to drag it in >>>> with a tag pill into their own files. Would I need to tag each of those >>>> tiddlers individually? Or could this be a plugin? >>>> >>>> Also, what would be the optimal settings so that most laptop users >>>> would see two columns upon arriving? I had to change it to 1270 to see them >>>> because your files appear as one column for me. But would 1270 be >>>> sufficient for most users? >>>> >>>> Finally, what tiddlers would be needed for the divert buttons? I like >>>> that functionality. >>>> >>>> This is really great, Saq. You sure came back with a grand gesture of >>>> generosity and genius! >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 9:57:39 AM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote: >>>>> >>>>> For those that are interested, here a few variations to play with that >>>>> I hope you might find useful. These are all quick integrations that will >>>>> hopefully serve as a starting point for anyone that finds this useful. >>>>> >>>>> - Alternate behaviour where the second story is automatically shown >>>>> when there is at least one tiddler open it. Shift click a tiddler link: >>>>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/two-story-alt.html >>>>> >>>>> The above behaviour applies to the next two as well: >>>>> >>>>> - TiddlyBlink with a substory in the parallel tab: >>>>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/tiddlyblink-with-tab-story.html >>>>> >>>>> - TiddlyBlink with two parallel stories (not in a tab): >>>>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/tiddlyblink-two-story-saq.html >>>>> >>>>> Original version of my two story implementation: >>>>> http://sq-twostories.tiddlyspot.com/ >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Saq >>>>> >>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>> Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/d60QYKycUCY/unsubscribe. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>> [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/12b390ee-4d1b-470e-976c-bb0fe4e827a0%40googlegroups.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/12b390ee-4d1b-470e-976c-bb0fe4e827a0%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/d60QYKycUCY/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/89c499b2-1d1f-49c0-8105-af613c2e2a13%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/89c499b2-1d1f-49c0-8105-af613c2e2a13%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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