Hi Saq A user on Twitter wrote this:
My hunch is that the user might be better off with a single tiddler in the main column, a scrolling second column, hotkeys for pulling up the search bar, hotkeys for moving focus from main tiddler to the column, hotkeys for moving a focused tiddler into the main column. I don't know about the hotkeys, but his point was that if one has a lot of tiddlers open in both columns, one would have to scroll both columns to find any given tiddler, so it might be better to have one fixed column with a limit of one tiddler, and a main scrolling column for all the others. I am undecided. What do you think about his feedback? On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 2:11:08 PM UTC-5, David Gifford wrote: > > Thanks Saq > > I think I would like to leave the parallel tab as it is on its homepage > https://giffmex.org/gifts/tiddlyblink.html rather than tweak it at this > point. It is almost superfluous and could be removed. But I may replace it > with a Favorites plugin tab. > > Blessings > > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 2:04 PM Saq Imtiaz <saq.imt...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dave: the parallel tab breaking may have been an inadverdent result of me >> hurriedly hacking both the story in a tab, as well as the parallel two >> story layouts into TiddlyBlink. >> I don't see any reason why the original way you had that working should >> break, so that should hopefully get automatically resolved when we do this >> a bit more systematically. >> Note that it does seem to work when I paste a title like TiddlyBlink into >> it on the parallel tab on your demo at >> https://giffmex.org/experiments/doubleblink.html >> >> If you want a third story in the parallel tab.... that could work too but >> would require a few tweaks. >> One potential use for that tab could be as a sort of a workspace drawer, >> where you drag and drop tiddler titles that know you will need for what you >> are working on, but do not want open at the moment. I have a similar setup >> in one of my wikis. >> >> I will work through what we have discussed as time allows, and keep you >> updated. No worries, we are on the same page. I view you as a product owner >> representing everyone that does and might use the end product you are >> working on :) >> >> Regards, >> Saq >> >> On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 7:57:55 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote: >>> >>> Hi Saq, thanks for the detailed reply. See my comments below in* bold*. >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 12:27 PM Saq Imtiaz <saq....@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi David, >>>> >>>> I'm glad the quick integration was helpful. I suggest we move beyond >>>> that but take a little time to discuss exactly which functionality and >>>> behaviour we want. After which I can help identify the necessary bits and >>>> even tweak things if necessary. >>>> >>>> Agreed on the dropzones, I never use them. >>>> So the functionality you want is: >>>> - shift click to open in the second story >>>> >>> *Yes* >>> >>>> - shift click edit button to open in second story in edit template? >>>> >>> >>> *?? No, I don't think so.* >>> >>>> - divert buttons >>>> >>> >>> *Yes. * >>> >>> >>> *Before I forget - did you do something to my parallel tab? It wasn't >>> working. Was that a necessary change so that the stories would work?* >>> >>>> >>>> A couple of other things to consider: >>>> - the second story is currently set to classic storyview as there were >>>> issues with the one you are using for TiddlyBlink. This allows for more >>>> than one tiddler to be open in the second story. Is that OK or do you want >>>> to limit that to one? Perhaps allow more tiddlers but have a different >>>> view >>>> template that makes it easier to fold them? >>>> >>> >>> *I think classic storyview for both columns would be best.* >>> >>> *I was even thinking about adding the ability to easily fold tiddlers. >>> See how this is done in Roam in the attached gif* >>> >>> >>>> - I personally like the idea of being able to hide the second story >>>> even if there is a tiddler(s) open it, and be able to restore it later and >>>> pick up where you were. Is this behaviour something you want? I sometimes >>>> use the second story a bit like a "to do" list and like being able to come >>>> back to it when needed. >>>> >>> >>> *I do too, but it should be viewed by default in the online file so >>> people are aware of it.* >>> >>>> >>>> Also if you give me a little time, I can go through the components we >>>> would be adding to TiddlyBlink to see if they can be optimized or cleaned >>>> up. As I mentioned I wrote this when first getting to know TW5 and I am >>>> sure there are tricks I missed and core improvements since that we can >>>> leverage. I am happy to help just please keep in mind that my schedule is >>>> a >>>> bit crazy at the moment, as I am volunteering at the local hospital. So I >>>> go from having a fair bit of time to some very busy days. >>>> >>> >>> *I am not in a rush, and appreciate your willingness to help me on this. >>> You and so many people here have been so generous with their time and >>> skills. But please don't think of it as being for me, but for TiddlyWiki, >>> to have a wickedly good TW 'app' to get people on board* >>> >>>> >>>> Keep in mind that everything about the appearance of the story, the >>>> settings at which it becomes visible etc is all done via CSS which we can >>>> customize as much as necessary to fit your workflow and vision. >>>> Perhaps we can look up some screen resolution stats to see what a good >>>> cut off point for showing two stories should be. But I also feel like with >>>> a horizontal resolution of less than 1270, there just isn't enough screen >>>> space for two stories. >>>> You could maybe push it down to 1024 but then show the sidebar >>>> overlapping the second story? The idea being to show it when needed and >>>> otherwise keep it hidden. >>>> >>> >>> *I am not sure. I think my laptop is roughly standard size: 15" diagonal >>> screen, 1920 x 1080 resolution, and the tiddlers are just wide enough to >>> work on even when the sidebar is showing.* >>> >>>> >>>> Note that the divert buttons are already in that prototype I posted, >>>> they just aren't visible until two stories are active, which from what I >>>> remember is purely css based. Making that visible at all times would >>>> therefore not be difficult. >>>> $:/_sq/Stories/divertTiddlerMacro >>>> >>> >>> *Oh, and sure enough, they are visible on >>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/doubleblink.html >>> <https://giffmex.org/experiments/doubleblink.html>, how did I miss that?* >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I haven't looked into packaging things as a plugin for TW5 but if >>>> necessary we can go that route. Alternatively creating a button people can >>>> drag is easy. We either tag all the tiddlers or just use a filter as below: >>>> <$button class="tc-tag-label tc-btn-invisible" >>>> dragFilter="[prefix[$:/_sq/Stories]] >>>> $:/core/ui/Buttons/more-tiddler-actions >>>> $:/config/_sq/Stories/story2 $:/config/Tiddlers/TitleLinks >>>> $:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/options/sidebarlayout">Drag me to >>>> install</$button> >>>> >>>> Button widgets support a dragFilter attribute so we can make the >>>> payload for drag and drop whatever we need it to be. >>>> >>> >>> *I actually have TiddlyBlink set up so that the user can drag the 'tb' >>> tag pill to his or her own file. I would prefer to just tag one sq/stories >>> plugin tiddler so that that is added to the list.* >>> >>> >>> *Thanks again, Saq! Blessings to you. Hope whatever personal issues you >>> were facing are behind you, for your sake.* >>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Saq >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 5:55:54 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I agree with Diego, the TiddlyBlink with two columns, for those using >>>>> laptops, is the way to go. Coincidentally, it means you could have a list >>>>> of links in the parallel tab, and two story columns, so THREE tiddlers >>>>> open >>>>> side by side. >>>>> >>>>> Also, I think you said it, and I just want to concur, the drop zones >>>>> are superfluous and unnecessary if you have shift-click and divert >>>>> buttons. >>>>> >>>>> I would like to update TiddlyBlink with this, or else make a special >>>>> version of TiddlyBlink for this. But I want users to be able to drag it >>>>> in >>>>> with a tag pill into their own files. Would I need to tag each of those >>>>> tiddlers individually? Or could this be a plugin? >>>>> >>>>> Also, what would be the optimal settings so that most laptop users >>>>> would see two columns upon arriving? I had to change it to 1270 to see >>>>> them >>>>> because your files appear as one column for me. But would 1270 be >>>>> sufficient for most users? >>>>> >>>>> Finally, what tiddlers would be needed for the divert buttons? I like >>>>> that functionality. >>>>> >>>>> This is really great, Saq. You sure came back with a grand gesture of >>>>> generosity and genius! >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 9:57:39 AM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> For those that are interested, here a few variations to play with >>>>>> that I hope you might find useful. These are all quick integrations that >>>>>> will hopefully serve as a starting point for anyone that finds this >>>>>> useful. >>>>>> >>>>>> - Alternate behaviour where the second story is automatically shown >>>>>> when there is at least one tiddler open it. Shift click a tiddler link: >>>>>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/two-story-alt.html >>>>>> >>>>>> The above behaviour applies to the next two as well: >>>>>> >>>>>> - TiddlyBlink with a substory in the parallel tab: >>>>>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/tiddlyblink-with-tab-story.html >>>>>> >>>>>> - TiddlyBlink with two parallel stories (not in a tab): >>>>>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/tiddlyblink-two-story-saq.html >>>>>> >>>>>> Original version of my two story implementation: >>>>>> http://sq-twostories.tiddlyspot.com/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Saq >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>>> Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/d60QYKycUCY/unsubscribe. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/12b390ee-4d1b-470e-976c-bb0fe4e827a0%40googlegroups.com >>>> >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/12b390ee-4d1b-470e-976c-bb0fe4e827a0%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/d60QYKycUCY/unsubscribe. >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/89c499b2-1d1f-49c0-8105-af613c2e2a13%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/89c499b2-1d1f-49c0-8105-af613c2e2a13%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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