On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 at 2:03:46 PM UTC+2, Mat wrote:

I also think, that the info button should be part of the EditTemplate. Same 
>> thing here. Most elements of the editor can be hidden behind it. [...]
>>
>  
> Hear hear.
>

:) ... You know, that I'm not the biggest fan of hidden information. That's 
why I think there needs to be some info in the "minimal UI", that points 
the users to the advanced configuration. We shouldn't get a lot of help 
requests that start with: "I want to enable ...... but I cant find it." ... 
If this happens. We did it wrong.
 

> Even the tag-editor and the title field can be removed, except, if the 
>> tiddler is named New Tiddler or something similar. 
>>
>
> Hmmm...  ;-)
>

Yea, ... maximum vertical working area. Especially for phones, imo this 
will make a big difference. I really hate the editing experience with my 
phone. The title input, the tag-editor and the toolbar already need more 
than 30% of the vertical space. The keyboard nedds another 40%. So there 
isn't much left atm. 
  

> With a mechanism like this, plugins can add "reference / backlinking" 
>> output into the tiddler info section OR at the end of the xxTemplate, and 
>> the user can decide, if and when they want to see this info. 
>>
>> Similar to this example: 
>> https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/slant-01/#04-clicking-tag-opens-tagmap 
>> ... If you *click a tag*, it will open something that I called "Tag 
>> Map". [...]
>>
>
> Not sure about that particular proposal
>

Just an example, who it could be. 
 

> - I think the current behaviour, i.e that you get a dropdown for the 
> current tag is pretty good. 
>

... With the phone .. Imo NO. There is room for improvements
 

> However, interestingly, there is no "feature" if you click tags in *edit 
> *mode. 
> IMO this place would be useful for tag settings etc.
>

I'm not sure, what this means. 
 

>  If the (i)nfo button would be part of the default UI, I'm pretty sure 
> users will click it, because it is something special and they want to know, 
> what's behind it. I'm sure, the "more" chevron is completely ignored by 
> most users. 
>
> Where do you propose the content from the chevron should go? Or should the 
> chevron stay and there should be *four *default toolbar buttons?
>

The chevron needs to stay and there should be 4 default buttons. I also 
want to make it easy, that the info area stays open as a "per tiddler" 
setting. With a new button: "Close all open info sections"

-mario

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