Charlie, I am not sure. I can't find that specific reply in this thread. Can you give me a link from the actual reply please?
I expect its something similar but with a different scope. Thanks Tones On Thursday, 22 July 2021 at 13:12:58 UTC+10 [email protected] wrote: > Silly question: are you suggesting you are going to build what I already > built and mentioned a little earlier in this thread (Jul 20, 2021, 10:09:07 > AM) ? > > On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 10:17:10 PM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote: > >> Springer et al, >> >> Forgive me for repeating myself, although a lot of interesting ideas, I >> believe these to be *non-problems.* >> >> A simple solution is available here. an Example would be an alternate >> button to simple permalinks, I think someone else used a share icon. When >> clicking this on a given tiddler, it would assign a next number to a field >> in the tiddler (basically issuing a unique value field - not a UID or >> serial or GUID) then use this field/number to uniquely identify the tiddler >> shared, so it does not matter if it's title is renamed. Then generate a url >> that instead searches for any (but only one) tiddler with that field value. >> >> If *anyone asks* I will build this share button soon. >> >> That is if someone wants to publish a robust permalink for a tiddler >> who's title may change they use a built for purpose alternative to >> permalinks. Perhaps the existing name permalinks is misleading, perhaps >> they should be impermalinks. >> >> Here is a working example >> a tiddler with the "permalink" field=1 >> the url wiki-url.html#:[permalink[1]] >> In the wiki <a href="wiki-url.html#:[permalink[1]]">Open target</a> this >> can be dragged to bookmarks/favourites >> >> However I personally choose my tiddler names well enough when needed so >> they need not change in future, and if I am publishing a link somewhere it >> is to access specific content. the link has a purpose, and once someone has >> the link the purpose is fixed in time and should always honour its original >> share. >> >> A version of the above method where the link filter >> is [has[permalink]last[]] will always link to the largest permalink value, >> so one is sharing a link to the latest permalink tiddler or post. >> >> Another supportive trick is to hide the field from the editor with a >> tiddler of the form $:/config/EditTemplateFields/Visibility/fieldname >> eg $:/config/EditTemplateFields/Visibility/permalink with a value of hide >> thus once set you have to go out of your way to alter the permalink >> value, that is its more permanent. >> >> Further developments (optional reading) >> >> - Since the addition of the unused title operator, it is possible >> (more to the point easier) to use this to generate a unique and >> incremented >> tiddler title and serial number. >> - Rather than shadow tiddlers I am using this not only to generate a >> tiddler Serial Number (TSN) but a "ghost tiddler" that follows any >> tiddler >> and provides a way to save metadata for any tiddler or field there in >> (regardless of the title) >> - My only issues left are >> - Finding a way to generate/assign such TSN and Ghost tiddler in >> bulk. >> - rebuild a parallel solution - system serial number, to assign a >> serial number to core and shadow tiddlers without touching them >> - Actually I have found you need only assign serial number where to >> need them, say for these permalinks or compound tiddlers, that is with >> subtiddlers that use the serial number for the parent rather than the >> title >> or a tag. >> >> Regards >> Tones >> >> On Thursday, 22 July 2021 at 06:50:01 UTC+10 springer wrote: >> >>> About obsolete permalinks: >>> >>> Surely a variant of the relink plugin could help maintain bread-crumbs >>> for obsolete links: >>> >>> Whenever relink does its thing, have it offer to create a >>> dictionary-tiddler entry pairing old-name and new-name; then have a >>> filter-condition ViewTemplate element show up at the bottom of old-name >>> tiddlers, where the new-name tiddler is transcluded (or linked-to) -- >>> perhaps pre-pending a note explaining that the old "Bombay" is now called >>> "Mumbai"... >>> >>> At first, I was worried about the case where I change tiddler title from >>> "Bombay" to "Mumbai" and then later generate a different one called >>> "Bombay" -- but there, too, I might be interested in seeing such a >>> ViewTemplate addition! After all, if I ever had shared a permalink to >>> #Bombay, some signposts around the changing namescape could be useful! >>> >>> -Springer >>> >>> On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 9:09:07 AM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote: >>> >>>> This is such an awesome thread. >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 9:04:07 AM UTC-3 Soren Bjornstad wrote: >>>> >>>>> *Walt,* the thing that bugs me most about the “immutable title/ID” >>>>> idea is that unless your notes are also going to be immutable, the >>>>> *content* of a note can still change so much as to make the reference >>>>> not effective anymore. So I don't see much point in bothering, as long as >>>>> you can avoid having links break. Presumably the thing you were looking >>>>> for >>>>> won't move so far away from the updated note that you'll be unable to >>>>> find >>>>> it, anyway (probably not more than one link away). >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Hence why I have an awful lot of love for relink. I would have a rough >>>> time without it. No broken (internal links) with Relink. >>>> >>>> >>>>> It is a good point on external links breaking, though. It would be >>>>> cool if you could set up redirects within TW, so that you could at least >>>>> have an incoming link to an old title go somewhere somewhat relevant. I >>>>> guess you could just leave the old title with a link to the new one, but >>>>> without an obvious way to distinguish redirect tiddlers from other >>>>> tiddlers, they would probably get in your way and make you think they >>>>> were >>>>> the “real” tiddlers all the time. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Link rot. Redirects is a possibility. I much prefer UID fields and >>>> providing links to a Tiddler in some TiddlyWiki with a "UID" reference. >>>> (related thread: A Prototype of UID's for stable permalinks >>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/l2Mwu3pOAXw/m/fuvWrwpDBwAJ>) >>>> >>>> So if I want to provide folk with a link to a specific tiddler in some >>>> TiddlyWiki, in a way that allows me to change the tiddler title >>>> willy-nilly >>>> without breaking the link, I would give folk this: >>>> >>>> >>>> https://tiddlywiki-programming.neocities.org/CJ_TiddlyWikiProgramming.html#:[uid[2]] >>>> >>>> <https://tiddlywiki-programming.neocities.org/CJ_TiddlyWikiProgramming.html#:[uid[2]]> >>>> >>>> For some reason, I prefer this than setting up redirects. >>>> >>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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