Yeah, I only meant the building of that part you mentioned in the early part of your post, i.e.: *a tiddler with the "permalink" field=1* *the url wiki-url.html#:[permalink[1]] *
That was the only thing I had previously played with, and I thought you meant to only build that, not all of the rest of the goodies you mention further down your post. Aside: as a mesure to handle in case a tiddler gets deleted, the permalink could look like wiki-url.html#:[permalink[1]else[not-found-alternative]] ; something like that? On Thursday, July 22, 2021 at 1:11:30 AM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote: > Charlie, > > Yes, very similar, It is less about that working example which illustrates > why we need not put much effort to obtain what is being discussed, but I do > go on to discuss related issues and opportunities, such as creating > bookmarks, did your reference solution include a share button for this? It > should be quite easy. I also describe how to hide the field and > discuss Further developments but yes it is the same use of the search on > the URL. > > I did not mention but it can be used instead of the permaview as well. > > Regards > Tones > > > > On Thursday, 22 July 2021 at 13:38:20 UTC+10 [email protected] wrote: > >> I've never used that link (to a specific post) feature. That's a new >> trick for me. Thanks! >> >> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/nEDB3zRBALY/m/z0BXBncwBAAJ >> >> Well, I didn't' spend any time making it pretty ... >> >> On Thursday, July 22, 2021 at 12:29:08 AM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote: >> >>> Charlie, >>> >>> I am not sure. I can't find that specific reply in this thread. Can you >>> give me a link from the actual reply please? >>> >>> I expect its something similar but with a different scope. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Tones >>> >>> On Thursday, 22 July 2021 at 13:12:58 UTC+10 [email protected] wrote: >>> >>>> Silly question: are you suggesting you are going to build what I >>>> already built and mentioned a little earlier in this thread (Jul 20, 2021, >>>> 10:09:07 AM) ? >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 10:17:10 PM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote: >>>> >>>>> Springer et al, >>>>> >>>>> Forgive me for repeating myself, although a lot of interesting ideas, >>>>> I believe these to be *non-problems.* >>>>> >>>>> A simple solution is available here. an Example would be an alternate >>>>> button to simple permalinks, I think someone else used a share icon. When >>>>> clicking this on a given tiddler, it would assign a next number to a >>>>> field >>>>> in the tiddler (basically issuing a unique value field - not a UID or >>>>> serial or GUID) then use this field/number to uniquely identify the >>>>> tiddler >>>>> shared, so it does not matter if it's title is renamed. Then generate a >>>>> url >>>>> that instead searches for any (but only one) tiddler with that field >>>>> value. >>>>> >>>>> If *anyone asks* I will build this share button soon. >>>>> >>>>> That is if someone wants to publish a robust permalink for a tiddler >>>>> who's title may change they use a built for purpose alternative to >>>>> permalinks. Perhaps the existing name permalinks is misleading, perhaps >>>>> they should be impermalinks. >>>>> >>>>> Here is a working example >>>>> a tiddler with the "permalink" field=1 >>>>> the url wiki-url.html#:[permalink[1]] >>>>> In the wiki <a href="wiki-url.html#:[permalink[1]]">Open target</a> >>>>> this can be dragged to bookmarks/favourites >>>>> >>>>> However I personally choose my tiddler names well enough when needed >>>>> so they need not change in future, and if I am publishing a link >>>>> somewhere >>>>> it is to access specific content. the link has a purpose, and once >>>>> someone >>>>> has the link the purpose is fixed in time and should always honour its >>>>> original share. >>>>> >>>>> A version of the above method where the link filter >>>>> is [has[permalink]last[]] will always link to the largest permalink >>>>> value, >>>>> so one is sharing a link to the latest permalink tiddler or post. >>>>> >>>>> Another supportive trick is to hide the field from the editor with a >>>>> tiddler of the form $:/config/EditTemplateFields/Visibility/fieldname >>>>> eg $:/config/EditTemplateFields/Visibility/permalink with a value of hide >>>>> thus once set you have to go out of your way to alter the permalink >>>>> value, that is its more permanent. >>>>> >>>>> Further developments (optional reading) >>>>> >>>>> - Since the addition of the unused title operator, it is possible >>>>> (more to the point easier) to use this to generate a unique and >>>>> incremented >>>>> tiddler title and serial number. >>>>> - Rather than shadow tiddlers I am using this not only to generate >>>>> a tiddler Serial Number (TSN) but a "ghost tiddler" that follows any >>>>> tiddler and provides a way to save metadata for any tiddler or field >>>>> there >>>>> in (regardless of the title) >>>>> - My only issues left are >>>>> - Finding a way to generate/assign such TSN and Ghost tiddler >>>>> in bulk. >>>>> - rebuild a parallel solution - system serial number, to assign >>>>> a serial number to core and shadow tiddlers without touching them >>>>> - Actually I have found you need only assign serial number where >>>>> to need them, say for these permalinks or compound tiddlers, that is >>>>> with >>>>> subtiddlers that use the serial number for the parent rather than the >>>>> title >>>>> or a tag. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Tones >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, 22 July 2021 at 06:50:01 UTC+10 springer wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> About obsolete permalinks: >>>>>> >>>>>> Surely a variant of the relink plugin could help maintain >>>>>> bread-crumbs for obsolete links: >>>>>> >>>>>> Whenever relink does its thing, have it offer to create a >>>>>> dictionary-tiddler entry pairing old-name and new-name; then have a >>>>>> filter-condition ViewTemplate element show up at the bottom of old-name >>>>>> tiddlers, where the new-name tiddler is transcluded (or linked-to) -- >>>>>> perhaps pre-pending a note explaining that the old "Bombay" is now >>>>>> called >>>>>> "Mumbai"... >>>>>> >>>>>> At first, I was worried about the case where I change tiddler title >>>>>> from "Bombay" to "Mumbai" and then later generate a different one called >>>>>> "Bombay" -- but there, too, I might be interested in seeing such a >>>>>> ViewTemplate addition! After all, if I ever had shared a permalink to >>>>>> #Bombay, some signposts around the changing namescape could be useful! >>>>>> >>>>>> -Springer >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 9:09:07 AM UTC-4 [email protected] >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> This is such an awesome thread. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 9:04:07 AM UTC-3 Soren Bjornstad wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Walt,* the thing that bugs me most about the “immutable title/ID” >>>>>>>> idea is that unless your notes are also going to be immutable, the >>>>>>>> *content* of a note can still change so much as to make the >>>>>>>> reference not effective anymore. So I don't see much point in >>>>>>>> bothering, as >>>>>>>> long as you can avoid having links break. Presumably the thing you >>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>> looking for won't move so far away from the updated note that you'll >>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>> unable to find it, anyway (probably not more than one link away). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hence why I have an awful lot of love for relink. I would have a >>>>>>> rough time without it. No broken (internal links) with Relink. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It is a good point on external links breaking, though. It would be >>>>>>>> cool if you could set up redirects within TW, so that you could at >>>>>>>> least >>>>>>>> have an incoming link to an old title go somewhere somewhat relevant. >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> guess you could just leave the old title with a link to the new one, >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> without an obvious way to distinguish redirect tiddlers from other >>>>>>>> tiddlers, they would probably get in your way and make you think they >>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>> the “real” tiddlers all the time. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Link rot. Redirects is a possibility. I much prefer UID fields and >>>>>>> providing links to a Tiddler in some TiddlyWiki with a "UID" reference. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (related thread: A Prototype of UID's for stable permalinks >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/l2Mwu3pOAXw/m/fuvWrwpDBwAJ> >>>>>>> ) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So if I want to provide folk with a link to a specific tiddler in >>>>>>> some TiddlyWiki, in a way that allows me to change the tiddler title >>>>>>> willy-nilly without breaking the link, I would give folk this: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://tiddlywiki-programming.neocities.org/CJ_TiddlyWikiProgramming.html#:[uid[2]] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://tiddlywiki-programming.neocities.org/CJ_TiddlyWikiProgramming.html#:[uid[2]]> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For some reason, I prefer this than setting up redirects. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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