Charlie, Yes, very similar, It is less about that working example which illustrates why we need not put much effort to obtain what is being discussed, but I do go on to discuss related issues and opportunities, such as creating bookmarks, did your reference solution include a share button for this? It should be quite easy. I also describe how to hide the field and discuss Further developments but yes it is the same use of the search on the URL.
I did not mention but it can be used instead of the permaview as well. Regards Tones On Thursday, 22 July 2021 at 13:38:20 UTC+10 [email protected] wrote: > I've never used that link (to a specific post) feature. That's a new > trick for me. Thanks! > > https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/nEDB3zRBALY/m/z0BXBncwBAAJ > > Well, I didn't' spend any time making it pretty ... > > On Thursday, July 22, 2021 at 12:29:08 AM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote: > >> Charlie, >> >> I am not sure. I can't find that specific reply in this thread. Can you >> give me a link from the actual reply please? >> >> I expect its something similar but with a different scope. >> >> Thanks >> Tones >> >> On Thursday, 22 July 2021 at 13:12:58 UTC+10 [email protected] wrote: >> >>> Silly question: are you suggesting you are going to build what I >>> already built and mentioned a little earlier in this thread (Jul 20, 2021, >>> 10:09:07 AM) ? >>> >>> On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 10:17:10 PM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote: >>> >>>> Springer et al, >>>> >>>> Forgive me for repeating myself, although a lot of interesting ideas, I >>>> believe these to be *non-problems.* >>>> >>>> A simple solution is available here. an Example would be an alternate >>>> button to simple permalinks, I think someone else used a share icon. When >>>> clicking this on a given tiddler, it would assign a next number to a field >>>> in the tiddler (basically issuing a unique value field - not a UID or >>>> serial or GUID) then use this field/number to uniquely identify the >>>> tiddler >>>> shared, so it does not matter if it's title is renamed. Then generate a >>>> url >>>> that instead searches for any (but only one) tiddler with that field value. >>>> >>>> If *anyone asks* I will build this share button soon. >>>> >>>> That is if someone wants to publish a robust permalink for a tiddler >>>> who's title may change they use a built for purpose alternative to >>>> permalinks. Perhaps the existing name permalinks is misleading, perhaps >>>> they should be impermalinks. >>>> >>>> Here is a working example >>>> a tiddler with the "permalink" field=1 >>>> the url wiki-url.html#:[permalink[1]] >>>> In the wiki <a href="wiki-url.html#:[permalink[1]]">Open target</a> >>>> this can be dragged to bookmarks/favourites >>>> >>>> However I personally choose my tiddler names well enough when needed so >>>> they need not change in future, and if I am publishing a link somewhere it >>>> is to access specific content. the link has a purpose, and once someone >>>> has >>>> the link the purpose is fixed in time and should always honour its >>>> original >>>> share. >>>> >>>> A version of the above method where the link filter >>>> is [has[permalink]last[]] will always link to the largest permalink value, >>>> so one is sharing a link to the latest permalink tiddler or post. >>>> >>>> Another supportive trick is to hide the field from the editor with a >>>> tiddler of the form $:/config/EditTemplateFields/Visibility/fieldname >>>> eg $:/config/EditTemplateFields/Visibility/permalink with a value of hide >>>> thus once set you have to go out of your way to alter the permalink >>>> value, that is its more permanent. >>>> >>>> Further developments (optional reading) >>>> >>>> - Since the addition of the unused title operator, it is possible >>>> (more to the point easier) to use this to generate a unique and >>>> incremented >>>> tiddler title and serial number. >>>> - Rather than shadow tiddlers I am using this not only to generate >>>> a tiddler Serial Number (TSN) but a "ghost tiddler" that follows any >>>> tiddler and provides a way to save metadata for any tiddler or field >>>> there >>>> in (regardless of the title) >>>> - My only issues left are >>>> - Finding a way to generate/assign such TSN and Ghost tiddler in >>>> bulk. >>>> - rebuild a parallel solution - system serial number, to assign >>>> a serial number to core and shadow tiddlers without touching them >>>> - Actually I have found you need only assign serial number where to >>>> need them, say for these permalinks or compound tiddlers, that is with >>>> subtiddlers that use the serial number for the parent rather than the >>>> title >>>> or a tag. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Tones >>>> >>>> On Thursday, 22 July 2021 at 06:50:01 UTC+10 springer wrote: >>>> >>>>> About obsolete permalinks: >>>>> >>>>> Surely a variant of the relink plugin could help maintain bread-crumbs >>>>> for obsolete links: >>>>> >>>>> Whenever relink does its thing, have it offer to create a >>>>> dictionary-tiddler entry pairing old-name and new-name; then have a >>>>> filter-condition ViewTemplate element show up at the bottom of old-name >>>>> tiddlers, where the new-name tiddler is transcluded (or linked-to) -- >>>>> perhaps pre-pending a note explaining that the old "Bombay" is now called >>>>> "Mumbai"... >>>>> >>>>> At first, I was worried about the case where I change tiddler title >>>>> from "Bombay" to "Mumbai" and then later generate a different one called >>>>> "Bombay" -- but there, too, I might be interested in seeing such a >>>>> ViewTemplate addition! After all, if I ever had shared a permalink to >>>>> #Bombay, some signposts around the changing namescape could be useful! >>>>> >>>>> -Springer >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 9:09:07 AM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> This is such an awesome thread. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 9:04:07 AM UTC-3 Soren Bjornstad wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> *Walt,* the thing that bugs me most about the “immutable title/ID” >>>>>>> idea is that unless your notes are also going to be immutable, the >>>>>>> *content* of a note can still change so much as to make the >>>>>>> reference not effective anymore. So I don't see much point in >>>>>>> bothering, as >>>>>>> long as you can avoid having links break. Presumably the thing you were >>>>>>> looking for won't move so far away from the updated note that you'll be >>>>>>> unable to find it, anyway (probably not more than one link away). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Hence why I have an awful lot of love for relink. I would have a >>>>>> rough time without it. No broken (internal links) with Relink. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> It is a good point on external links breaking, though. It would be >>>>>>> cool if you could set up redirects within TW, so that you could at >>>>>>> least >>>>>>> have an incoming link to an old title go somewhere somewhat relevant. I >>>>>>> guess you could just leave the old title with a link to the new one, >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> without an obvious way to distinguish redirect tiddlers from other >>>>>>> tiddlers, they would probably get in your way and make you think they >>>>>>> were >>>>>>> the “real” tiddlers all the time. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Link rot. Redirects is a possibility. I much prefer UID fields and >>>>>> providing links to a Tiddler in some TiddlyWiki with a "UID" reference. >>>>>> (related thread: A Prototype of UID's for stable permalinks >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/l2Mwu3pOAXw/m/fuvWrwpDBwAJ> >>>>>> ) >>>>>> >>>>>> So if I want to provide folk with a link to a specific tiddler in >>>>>> some TiddlyWiki, in a way that allows me to change the tiddler title >>>>>> willy-nilly without breaking the link, I would give folk this: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://tiddlywiki-programming.neocities.org/CJ_TiddlyWikiProgramming.html#:[uid[2]] >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://tiddlywiki-programming.neocities.org/CJ_TiddlyWikiProgramming.html#:[uid[2]]> >>>>>> >>>>>> For some reason, I prefer this than setting up redirects. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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