In regards to open and save *(just for reference: https://www.outpan.com/app/e7d5b37405/mytextarea)* ...
I'm thinking an open button like the one in that editor, and an export/save button that works exactly like the tiddler export button in TiddlyWiki, with just the TID option or with more/all options. So no save mechanisms. Just enter WikiText-à-la-TiddlyWiki, preview, and click export as TID. Whenever I just want to take down a quick note, TiddlyWiki is rarely my first choice. Using my Chromebook, I typically go to Gmail or Google Keep, or even Google Calendar, first. Having a small HTML page, i.e. TidEdit app, available to me, I could see myself going there first when I want to take down a note that is slightly more substantial organization-wise, but not so substantial that I want to open a TiddlyWiki (which I keep on Google Drive, using the TiddlyDrive add-on app.) So a bit like a simple text editor, but a little bit StackEdit-like, with a way to get the content into a TID. With something like that, I might actually use my small+old smartphone for more than just phone and text-messaging... On Saturday, August 7, 2021 at 1:01:22 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote: > Define backward. > > To me, it is like the difference between a small text editor and a word > processor. Using a text editor for certain things, instead of a full Word > Processor isn't going backwards. It is just using the simplest tool that > makes sense for an immediate need. > > Same thing for "TidEdit". It is just about reaching for the simplest and > quickest tool for an immediate need (just jot down a note) , yet having > that WikiText available (and preview) for quick visual organization of that > one note, however short/long, for later serious processing. > > In a way, it boils down to that difference (in my mind, anyway) between > note-taking and note-making. > > I imagine TidEdit as something complimentary to TiddlyWiki, a really nice > addition to a TiddlyWiki ecosystem of tools/components/workflow-enablers. > > A simple HTML page with a text area on the left, preview pane on the > right, and buttons for WikiText markup, and buttons for "new", "open", and > "save", always working with TID files for each drag and drop into a > TiddlyWiki. > > Why would any "save" plugins be required? "Save" would be like > "download", and open would be like "upload". Aren't those just basic > javascript functions? > > I suppose it isn't really about stripping down TiddlyWiki. It is about > creating a single HTML file that provides something that is StackEdit-ish > (no "notebook" and no multiple notes handling), with buttons that work like > the tiddler edit buttons for WikiText formatting, and those "new" (clear > text area and preview), "open" (pick a file and put the content of that > file in the text area), "save" (i.e. just download a file that has the > content from the textarea) buttons. > > > On Sat, Aug 7, 2021 at 12:41 PM PMario <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Saturday, August 7, 2021 at 4:19:52 PM UTC+2 [email protected] wrote: >> >> i.e. just what is needed to create/edit/save WikiText (à la TiddlyWiki) >>> to a TID file. Nothing else. >>> >> >> TLDR; >> >> You are right, we may be able to strip about half of the *UI* size, but >> this would mean we will go backwards. ... >> >> -------------- >> >> As you probably know, browsers will only let you save to the Downloads >> directory and subdirectories with default browser plugins. >> With Timimi you can choose the directory, but you will need 2 components. >> A browser AddOn and an executable. >> >> There is a new file-API for chromium based browsers, but they will also >> need a server somewhere in the background to use the functionality in a >> "secure" way. ... >> >> >>> No refresh mechanism going on, no loading up a whole TiddlyWiki (with >>> all the tiddlers and plugins), blazingly fast open of a small HTML file to >>> quickly enter some info/knowledge/content on the fly with whatever >>> device, with ability to save that tiddler, parking its the TID file >>> somewhere for later processing in the full TiddlyWiki. >>> >> >> In your first post you mentioned, that you don't need all toolbar buttons >> but some of them. ... So if you only want 1 of them, the software needed is >> the same as showing all of them. ... The mechanism to show 1 button is the >> same as to show many of them. It's only a different filter and a list. >> >> The same is true for the TW UI. It will be possible to create new >> ...Templates, that are different to the existing ones, but the >> functionality to handle Page-, Edit- and View templates is the same as with >> a default TW. So I'm sure you don't safe anything in the core. >> >> >>> Sure I can tweak a TiddlyWiki by adding custom Tiddlers, but I'm talking >>> about a major strip down to have a simple editor for simple note-taking. >>> >> >> As I wrote. There will be no major strip down in wiki size. The startup >> may be faster, because less DOM elements are created. ... Especially no >> sidebar. >> >> At the moment there are 8 tiddlers tagged: $:/tags/PageTemplate ... 11 >> tiddlers tagged: $:/tags/ViewTemplate ... 9 tiddlers tagged: >> $:/tags/EditTemplate ... 7 tiddlers tagged: $:/tags/SideBar ... and about >> 33 toolbar buttons. >> >> So you may safe some of them but that's basically it. TW consists of >> about 2100 shadow tiddlers in empty.html. Nobody knows, how they are >> exactly interconnected. It would be possible to find it out, but that would >> be a lot of work I wouldn't want to do. >> >> TiddlyWiki 5.1.0 had 991 shadow tiddlers and about 1.1MByte in size. >> About 460 shadows are $:/language tiddlers ... >> >> In 6 years users requested new UI functionality, which resulted in about >> 1000 shadow tiddlers more and about 1MByte more size of the file. The >> system did grow organically, with a lot of interconnections here and there. >> >> You are right, we may be able to strip about half of the *UI* size, but >> IMO this would mean we will go backwards. ... >> >> just some thoughts >> mario >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/JuhpaVK_zts/unsubscribe. >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> [email protected]. >> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/35a5a231-04d0-4fd7-b6b4-9bbb97ac92cdn%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/35a5a231-04d0-4fd7-b6b4-9bbb97ac92cdn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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