Ed, It is truly amazing given what you have gone through that you are here and keeping an interest and sharing your story. I believe strongly that TiddlyWiki is a tool towards democratising software for every one with different skills, ability, experience, capacities in different areas. If it is what I believe it to be, it must be able to support all our needs small or large. Everyone of our community members especially with different needs are valuable participants, because without you all we cant be exposed to the issues that arise, and our communities capacity diminishes.
If we play our cards right tiddlywiki will enable far more than average Joes. Best wishes Tony On Thursday, 26 August 2021 at 16:18:17 UTC+10 eddi...@gmail.com wrote: > Hi Tony, > > I honestly didn't read your reply as a complaint but thought mine may have > sounded that way or offended someone. Misunderstandings and confusion are > now a cloud that surrounds not only me but all those who dare try to > interpret what I am attempting to express as well LOL and a good reason to > keep that picture handy! Anyway, after looking at discourse (I hadn't even > peeked) and seeing I can go there and find out what is happening from time > to time without even setting up an account and knowing Jeremy is behind > this, I see nothing to worry about. I like sticking to the core and > avoiding addons as much as possible anyway. > > Thanks Jeremy for letting me know what's happening and you are behind > this. I am so sorry to hear you had to deal with this bug! We do not want > you in my shape, get or stay well whichever best applies! > > So, If it helps? I have been pretty much just lurking since 2014 when all > this stuff happened to me anyway and regretfully right in the middle of a > group effort with many here to build an add on for TW5 that would fulfill a > very specific need in education and I see has now been done ( a moodle > extension using scorm or whatever they are calling it now)! I am so happy > to see that but feel I had to let down many and regretfully it's of little > use to me now (no longer able to teach). The purpose I had was to use on > very limited tablets, in correctional (prison) systems, to get around the > fact that they had no internet access, only a browser for email, but with > TW5 would be able to pull and receive data from a learning > management server on site which I had already established, allowing > the teacher and student to track progress etc. I do appreciate and > apologize to all here that were in that group when this happened; it did > present capabilities far beyond my use in a greater educational role as > well and we were all very excited about it at the time. My stroke and brain > tumor came out of nowhere (I can't even remember if I was able to let > anyone here know about it). My first surgery I came out OK but not right, > requiring a second that really did some damage but I am one of a very few > who have survived everything that happened to me I am told. I am still in a > fight trying to recover memories, and some of the very basic abilities I > had before like simply playing my guitar for relaxation (I was a > professional musician for decades before teaching full time). Administering > a network much less teaching others to do so is definitely never going to > be an option again (or working for that matter the cloud of confusion is > very real. Cognitive abilities tested and with everything else surrounding > this I am no longer able to work in any setting. I am now on > full disability just trying to write this is taking an eternity). We had an > awesome team but it serves as a great example of why not to get married to > any platform including Goole. Perhaps if our GG here can be exported that > would be wise? We were using something I think G+ or Google+ but whatever > it was is now gone and all that was communicated within it. I would hate to > see that happen here regardless of platform and know you guys > definitely know what's going on now better than I do. > > I read these condensed email updates weekly and then only occasionally the > full threads within them when I think there might be something I need to > know or I can use. I am not sure (memory is really bad) but I think my only > posts in the last several years and maybe since my surgeries were just > about this particular subject anyway. Fighting change for changes sake and > my ability to cope with it LOL. The last thing I would want to see happen > and I sure others with similar problems agree would be to see anything > hinder TW5 development and beyond. Jermey is the master of making the > complicated simple (seriously Jeremy you would make a great teacher if you > were not such an awesome developer!) so far all releases have been > pretty self explanatory as far as basic functionality goes anyway > especially with his release notes and the help he and everyone here or > later there in discourse provides. So until I really need to communicate I > will probably just lurk there as I have here and search threads on both to > find answers to any questions I may have. Almost always anything I might > have a question about has already been asked and answered anyway. You guys > are awesome and I want you to know that despite what I can or can not do I > am 100% behind all of you! > > Thanks, > > On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 7:17 PM TW Tones <anthony...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Birthe/Strike, >> >> I hope Ed did not think "I thought he was complaining". I think my >> argument points out the new platform will be valuable to everyone, and is >> important, despite the pain of change. In fact it is really important Ed >> and Charlie etc.. understand I will help in any way I can. >> >> Some of these improvements will help reduce cognitive load once we have >> them working, like being able to have a Wiki Post that we can all edit >> which ultimately can summarise a thread. >> >> Also I would hope the overriding message is "as a community we can work >> with our diverse community" to support and enable them which I can really >> see is necessary when moving to a fully featured solution. Basically unlike >> many other communities members can get personal one on one support. We have >> done some in the past, and yes we can do so more, but the community seems >> dedicated to do so. >> >> Still I welcome your comments. >> >> On Tuesday, 24 August 2021 at 13:20:39 UTC+10 strikke...@gmail.com wrote: >> >>> Tony, >>> Ed did not complain. He would not like to miss totally out on the group >>> and is afraid that will happen! Explained that his need was to receive >>> email summary as that is the only way it would be possible for him to enjoy >>> the part possible for him to use. The question was not about the reasoning >>> for some to want the move - but: "Will I be able to receive email summary >>> from this new group - and if so, can someone help me get it set up?" >>> >>> Just as when you asked for a couple of days, why you were not able to >>> login and get writing in the new group - and asked repeatedly to get help >>> from moderators to be able to write to the group. (Sure easy to sign up - >>> you now write). Other people have other problems, and not everyone has all >>> of your expertise in using all sorts of groups at a professional level. >>> >>> As a promoter for the move and now a leader in the new group prepare for >>> questions like this - and be happy when they are asked. This group is large >>> and lots of users have used it for years - but have special needs to be >>> able to do so. If questions like this is not met with answers - those >>> users will just be sorry and give up without telling you - and have lost >>> yet another thing in life. Please remember that someone's gain is often >>> happening while others loose out. >>> >>> We know that quite some users of this group -found ways to keep using >>> Tiddlywiki and this group. And at. some point explained their special needs >>> and why they needed a solution. Poor eyesight or blindness has been one of >>> them. >>> >>> I would think that promoting the discourse group - why not make it clear >>> - can you use the group directly from receiving emails - emails summary. >>> Can you use the group fully if your only way of being able is using a >>> screen reader? >>> >>> Others have written earlier about having difficulty with busy screens, >>> moving parts - and lot of colour - lots of changing screens with shifting >>> layouts - and even more I cannot remember now. Explain how to use it for >>> those - if possible. >>> >>> If people with special needs are not in the target group for the the new >>> group - save time and explain why. >>> >>> Please think about it - and ask people to explain their problems - and >>> try to find solutions. Use those points in the promotion. Plenty of >>> telling it is beautiful, easy, what some wants etc. I think most have read >>> that by now. >>> >>> And the questions have to be asked before your wished making this group >>> read only - because afterwards - you will never know. >>> >>> Who *IS* in the Target group for the new group? And then list the >>> promoting points - ALL of them. Show that list clearly in both groups. >>> >>> Please - I did not in anyway want to offend anyone - but we are not all >>> the same. >>> >>> On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 1:46:44 AM UTC+2 TW Tones wrote: >>> >>>> Ed, >>>> >>>> Many of us who are deeply imbedded and active in Google Groups have >>>> good reasons and arguments to move. Apart from the fact you can't even >>>> reply on a mobile, mark code in a forum post and more Discourse solves a >>>> range of problems and issues that I expect you do not experience every day. >>>> >>>> We can't rely on Google any more and moving to talk.tiddlywiki.org >>>> puts control into the communities hands. In many ways "a move" if not >>>> "this >>>> move" has being on the cards for years, however getting consensus from the >>>> community is like herding cats. To put this decision on Jeremy alone is >>>> also asking too much. >>>> >>>> I know change can be difficult but as always the community is here to >>>> help, and from what I have seen Discourse offers everything and more than >>>> GG. So I am confident we can restore the functionality you want. >>>> >>>> Please continue to raise issues but also let the community help you >>>> transition or solve the problems you experience, or even ultimately change >>>> our minds because of your experience. >>>> >>>> If you did not see yet, signing up at talk.tiddlywiki.org with your >>>> google login is possibly the easiest entry to the new system. >>>> >>>> Yours sincerely >>>> Tony >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, 24 August 2021 at 01:15:03 UTC+10 eddi...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi All, >>>>> >>>>> Unless Jeremy plans to do the same sorry but no thanks and even then >>>>> probably not. Other than it being a perhaps more feature rich, and newer >>>>> platform is there really a burning need to make this switch now? I know >>>>> its >>>>> been debated here for a long time and have read the arguments both for >>>>> and >>>>> against but this sounds as though it is being forced upon us regardless >>>>> of >>>>> Jeremys reluctance to do so for some reason. Maybe google has announced >>>>> it >>>>> is killing off groups, Jeremy has decided it is for the best, or >>>>> something >>>>> else I am unaware of? (very possible I suffer from brain damage and am no >>>>> longer really in the know anymore, but do rely on getting these emails to >>>>> try and stay up on developments with TiddlyWiki and the plugin work being >>>>> done). I can still use TiddlyWiki to great advantage but no longer have >>>>> the >>>>> ability to write plugins or do many things I used to do before. Anything >>>>> new is pretty much impossible for me to learn. Will discourse offer these >>>>> email updates like the one I am responding to here and will those of us >>>>> who >>>>> choose not to join discourse (my mind is unable to learn new things) be >>>>> registered to receive those if this is done or will I need to register my >>>>> email address in their site in order to keep these condensed emails >>>>> coming >>>>> to me? I also feel there is a wealth of historical information in this >>>>> group that would be a shame if not transferred over (perhaps it has?) >>>>> Anyway, I hope replying to "all" is the proper way to ask. If not I do >>>>> apologize. Also, I am not being critical of this change just explaining >>>>> my >>>>> inability to do this and feel it is pointless unless Jeremy wants to make >>>>> this change as well. If so I guess this group can still stand as an >>>>> archive >>>>> of all the history and work that has been done to get us here and if it >>>>> offers that condensed email capability then maybe. I DO NOT want an email >>>>> for every post being made thats is an absolute! >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> On Sunday, August 22, 2021 at 9:21:36 AM UTC-5 TW Tones wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> JW Are you on the specific instance of discourse? >>>>>> https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> Tones >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, 22 August 2021 at 20:55:10 UTC+10 JWHoneycutt wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Signed up for Discourse - can't find any hits when searching >>>>>>> "TiddlyWiki" - did I just lose access to the community? >>>>>>> JWH >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 10:23:29 PM UTC-4 >>>>>>> joshua....@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Definitely moving over to the Discourse community. See you all >>>>>>>> there! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>> Joshua Fontany >>>>>>>> On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 3:42:18 PM UTC-7 Scott Simmons >>>>>>>> (Secret-HQ) wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I've created a profile on Talk.TiddlyWiki.org and am delighted >>>>>>>>> with the interface there. I'll try to ask questions and create new >>>>>>>>> threads >>>>>>>>> there rather than here, though I guess I'll be drawn back to Google >>>>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>>>> is that's where the conversation flows. 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