Same here, also notoriously late to the show. Also just created an account on talk.tiddlywiki.org. Can only get better than GG.
Kind regards Werner [email protected] schrieb am Sonntag, 29. August 2021 um 22:58:07 UTC+2: > Hello all, > > As always, late to the party. Seems lots has happened while I was away. > Good to hear an alternative to Google Groups in underway. > > Just signed up in: talk.tiddlywiki.org > > Stay safe, stay healthy everyone. > > Regards, > > Julio > > On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 3:35:23 AM UTC-4 TW Tones wrote: > >> Ed, >> >> It is truly amazing given what you have gone through that you are here >> and keeping an interest and sharing your story. I believe strongly that >> TiddlyWiki is a tool towards democratising software for every one with >> different skills, ability, experience, capacities in different areas. If it >> is what I believe it to be, it must be able to support all our needs small >> or large. Everyone of our community members especially with different needs >> are valuable participants, because without you all we cant be exposed to >> the issues that arise, and our communities capacity diminishes. >> >> If we play our cards right tiddlywiki will enable far more than average >> Joes. >> >> Best wishes >> Tony >> >> >> >> On Thursday, 26 August 2021 at 16:18:17 UTC+10 [email protected] wrote: >> >>> Hi Tony, >>> >>> I honestly didn't read your reply as a complaint but thought mine may >>> have sounded that way or offended someone. Misunderstandings and confusion >>> are now a cloud that surrounds not only me but all those who dare try to >>> interpret what I am attempting to express as well LOL and a good reason to >>> keep that picture handy! Anyway, after looking at discourse (I hadn't even >>> peeked) and seeing I can go there and find out what is happening from time >>> to time without even setting up an account and knowing Jeremy is behind >>> this, I see nothing to worry about. I like sticking to the core and >>> avoiding addons as much as possible anyway. >>> >>> Thanks Jeremy for letting me know what's happening and you are behind >>> this. I am so sorry to hear you had to deal with this bug! We do not want >>> you in my shape, get or stay well whichever best applies! >>> >>> So, If it helps? I have been pretty much just lurking since 2014 when >>> all this stuff happened to me anyway and regretfully right in the middle of >>> a group effort with many here to build an add on for TW5 that would fulfill >>> a very specific need in education and I see has now been done ( a moodle >>> extension using scorm or whatever they are calling it now)! I am so happy >>> to see that but feel I had to let down many and regretfully it's of little >>> use to me now (no longer able to teach). The purpose I had was to use on >>> very limited tablets, in correctional (prison) systems, to get around the >>> fact that they had no internet access, only a browser for email, but with >>> TW5 would be able to pull and receive data from a learning >>> management server on site which I had already established, allowing >>> the teacher and student to track progress etc. I do appreciate and >>> apologize to all here that were in that group when this happened; it did >>> present capabilities far beyond my use in a greater educational role as >>> well and we were all very excited about it at the time. My stroke and brain >>> tumor came out of nowhere (I can't even remember if I was able to let >>> anyone here know about it). My first surgery I came out OK but not right, >>> requiring a second that really did some damage but I am one of a very few >>> who have survived everything that happened to me I am told. I am still in a >>> fight trying to recover memories, and some of the very basic abilities I >>> had before like simply playing my guitar for relaxation (I was a >>> professional musician for decades before teaching full time). Administering >>> a network much less teaching others to do so is definitely never going to >>> be an option again (or working for that matter the cloud of confusion is >>> very real. Cognitive abilities tested and with everything else surrounding >>> this I am no longer able to work in any setting. I am now on >>> full disability just trying to write this is taking an eternity). We had an >>> awesome team but it serves as a great example of why not to get married to >>> any platform including Goole. Perhaps if our GG here can be exported that >>> would be wise? We were using something I think G+ or Google+ but whatever >>> it was is now gone and all that was communicated within it. I would hate to >>> see that happen here regardless of platform and know you guys >>> definitely know what's going on now better than I do. >>> >>> I read these condensed email updates weekly and then only occasionally >>> the full threads within them when I think there might be something I need >>> to know or I can use. I am not sure (memory is really bad) but I think my >>> only posts in the last several years and maybe since my surgeries were just >>> about this particular subject anyway. Fighting change for changes sake and >>> my ability to cope with it LOL. The last thing I would want to see happen >>> and I sure others with similar problems agree would be to see anything >>> hinder TW5 development and beyond. Jermey is the master of making the >>> complicated simple (seriously Jeremy you would make a great teacher if you >>> were not such an awesome developer!) so far all releases have been >>> pretty self explanatory as far as basic functionality goes anyway >>> especially with his release notes and the help he and everyone here or >>> later there in discourse provides. So until I really need to communicate I >>> will probably just lurk there as I have here and search threads on both to >>> find answers to any questions I may have. Almost always anything I might >>> have a question about has already been asked and answered anyway. You guys >>> are awesome and I want you to know that despite what I can or can not do I >>> am 100% behind all of you! >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 7:17 PM TW Tones <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Birthe/Strike, >>>> >>>> I hope Ed did not think "I thought he was complaining". I think my >>>> argument points out the new platform will be valuable to everyone, and is >>>> important, despite the pain of change. In fact it is really important Ed >>>> and Charlie etc.. understand I will help in any way I can. >>>> >>>> Some of these improvements will help reduce cognitive load once we have >>>> them working, like being able to have a Wiki Post that we can all edit >>>> which ultimately can summarise a thread. >>>> >>>> Also I would hope the overriding message is "as a community we can work >>>> with our diverse community" to support and enable them which I can really >>>> see is necessary when moving to a fully featured solution. Basically >>>> unlike >>>> many other communities members can get personal one on one support. We >>>> have >>>> done some in the past, and yes we can do so more, but the community seems >>>> dedicated to do so. >>>> >>>> Still I welcome your comments. >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, 24 August 2021 at 13:20:39 UTC+10 [email protected] >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Tony, >>>>> Ed did not complain. He would not like to miss totally out on the >>>>> group and is afraid that will happen! Explained that his need was to >>>>> receive email summary as that is the only way it would be possible for >>>>> him >>>>> to enjoy the part possible for him to use. The question was not about the >>>>> reasoning for some to want the move - but: "Will I be able to receive >>>>> email >>>>> summary from this new group - and if so, can someone help me get it set >>>>> up?" >>>>> >>>>> Just as when you asked for a couple of days, why you were not able to >>>>> login and get writing in the new group - and asked repeatedly to get help >>>>> from moderators to be able to write to the group. (Sure easy to sign up - >>>>> you now write). Other people have other problems, and not everyone has >>>>> all >>>>> of your expertise in using all sorts of groups at a professional level. >>>>> >>>>> As a promoter for the move and now a leader in the new group prepare >>>>> for questions like this - and be happy when they are asked. This group is >>>>> large and lots of users have used it for years - but have special needs >>>>> to >>>>> be able to do so. If questions like this is not met with answers - those >>>>> users will just be sorry and give up without telling you - and have lost >>>>> yet another thing in life. Please remember that someone's gain is often >>>>> happening while others loose out. >>>>> >>>>> We know that quite some users of this group -found ways to keep using >>>>> Tiddlywiki and this group. And at. some point explained their special >>>>> needs >>>>> and why they needed a solution. Poor eyesight or blindness has been one >>>>> of >>>>> them. >>>>> >>>>> I would think that promoting the discourse group - why not make it >>>>> clear - can you use the group directly from receiving emails - emails >>>>> summary. Can you use the group fully if your only way of being able is >>>>> using a screen reader? >>>>> >>>>> Others have written earlier about having difficulty with busy screens, >>>>> moving parts - and lot of colour - lots of changing screens with shifting >>>>> layouts - and even more I cannot remember now. Explain how to use it for >>>>> those - if possible. >>>>> >>>>> If people with special needs are not in the target group for the the >>>>> new group - save time and explain why. >>>>> >>>>> Please think about it - and ask people to explain their problems - and >>>>> try to find solutions. Use those points in the promotion. Plenty of >>>>> telling it is beautiful, easy, what some wants etc. I think most have >>>>> read >>>>> that by now. >>>>> >>>>> And the questions have to be asked before your wished making this >>>>> group read only - because afterwards - you will never know. >>>>> >>>>> Who *IS* in the Target group for the new group? And then list the >>>>> promoting points - ALL of them. Show that list clearly in both groups. >>>>> >>>>> Please - I did not in anyway want to offend anyone - but we are not >>>>> all the same. >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 1:46:44 AM UTC+2 TW Tones wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Ed, >>>>>> >>>>>> Many of us who are deeply imbedded and active in Google Groups have >>>>>> good reasons and arguments to move. Apart from the fact you can't even >>>>>> reply on a mobile, mark code in a forum post and more Discourse solves a >>>>>> range of problems and issues that I expect you do not experience every >>>>>> day. >>>>>> >>>>>> We can't rely on Google any more and moving to talk.tiddlywiki.org >>>>>> puts control into the communities hands. In many ways "a move" if not >>>>>> "this >>>>>> move" has being on the cards for years, however getting consensus from >>>>>> the >>>>>> community is like herding cats. To put this decision on Jeremy alone is >>>>>> also asking too much. >>>>>> >>>>>> I know change can be difficult but as always the community is here to >>>>>> help, and from what I have seen Discourse offers everything and more >>>>>> than >>>>>> GG. So I am confident we can restore the functionality you want. >>>>>> >>>>>> Please continue to raise issues but also let the community help you >>>>>> transition or solve the problems you experience, or even ultimately >>>>>> change >>>>>> our minds because of your experience. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you did not see yet, signing up at talk.tiddlywiki.org with your >>>>>> google login is possibly the easiest entry to the new system. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yours sincerely >>>>>> Tony >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, 24 August 2021 at 01:15:03 UTC+10 [email protected] >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Unless Jeremy plans to do the same sorry but no thanks and even then >>>>>>> probably not. Other than it being a perhaps more feature rich, and >>>>>>> newer >>>>>>> platform is there really a burning need to make this switch now? I know >>>>>>> its >>>>>>> been debated here for a long time and have read the arguments both for >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> against but this sounds as though it is being forced upon us regardless >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> Jeremys reluctance to do so for some reason. Maybe google has announced >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> is killing off groups, Jeremy has decided it is for the best, or >>>>>>> something >>>>>>> else I am unaware of? (very possible I suffer from brain damage and am >>>>>>> no >>>>>>> longer really in the know anymore, but do rely on getting these emails >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> try and stay up on developments with TiddlyWiki and the plugin work >>>>>>> being >>>>>>> done). I can still use TiddlyWiki to great advantage but no longer have >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> ability to write plugins or do many things I used to do before. >>>>>>> Anything >>>>>>> new is pretty much impossible for me to learn. Will discourse offer >>>>>>> these >>>>>>> email updates like the one I am responding to here and will those of us >>>>>>> who >>>>>>> choose not to join discourse (my mind is unable to learn new things) be >>>>>>> registered to receive those if this is done or will I need to register >>>>>>> my >>>>>>> email address in their site in order to keep these condensed emails >>>>>>> coming >>>>>>> to me? I also feel there is a wealth of historical information in this >>>>>>> group that would be a shame if not transferred over (perhaps it has?) >>>>>>> Anyway, I hope replying to "all" is the proper way to ask. If not I do >>>>>>> apologize. Also, I am not being critical of this change just explaining >>>>>>> my >>>>>>> inability to do this and feel it is pointless unless Jeremy wants to >>>>>>> make >>>>>>> this change as well. If so I guess this group can still stand as an >>>>>>> archive >>>>>>> of all the history and work that has been done to get us here and if it >>>>>>> offers that condensed email capability then maybe. I DO NOT want an >>>>>>> email >>>>>>> for every post being made thats is an absolute! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> On Sunday, August 22, 2021 at 9:21:36 AM UTC-5 TW Tones wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> JW Are you on the specific instance of discourse? >>>>>>>> https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>> Tones >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sunday, 22 August 2021 at 20:55:10 UTC+10 JWHoneycutt wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Signed up for Discourse - can't find any hits when searching >>>>>>>>> "TiddlyWiki" - did I just lose access to the community? >>>>>>>>> JWH >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 10:23:29 PM UTC-4 >>>>>>>>> [email protected] wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Definitely moving over to the Discourse community. See you all >>>>>>>>>> there! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>> Joshua Fontany >>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 3:42:18 PM UTC-7 Scott Simmons >>>>>>>>>> (Secret-HQ) wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I've created a profile on Talk.TiddlyWiki.org and am delighted >>>>>>>>>>> with the interface there. I'll try to ask questions and create new >>>>>>>>>>> threads >>>>>>>>>>> there rather than here, though I guess I'll be drawn back to Google >>>>>>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>>>>>> is that's where the conversation flows. 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