Some general reflections on this thread from me: * TiddlyWiki does indeed lack the level of documentation that one would expect. Originally, TiddlyWiki itself was pretty small, and for a long time I carefully maintained the idea of a good read-source experience: that someone with a little experience of JavaScript could reasonably expect to read through the source code in a weekend. As TiddlyWiki has got more complex that read-the-source experience has got less useful, and the lack of documentation is more painfully apparent
* TiddlyWiki has suffered from a lack of impetus over the last few years, in terms of keeping up with the changing browser landscape, or taking advantage of new things like node.js * Over the period that I was at Osmosoft we created TiddlyWeb and TiddlySpace specifically to try to make something that would be useful in BT, that would take the insights we've learned from TiddlyWiki and apply them in a way that made sense in the enterprise. Accordingly, as TiddlyWeb and TiddlySpace have matured, the lion's share of Osmosoft's attention shifted to them * My business plan is to try to have a handful of consultancy clients that pay for half my time, so that I can work on open source in the other half -- and thus get more interesting consultancy opportunities. * My open source focus is going to be TiddlyWiki. As I've said, I'm currently working on two basic things: the documentation and experience of tiddlywiki.com, and updating the build tools. Then I intend to pursue the ideas for a next generation TiddlyWiki that I last explored in TiddlyWiki5. * I liked Alex's book idea; it is something I've discussed with Eric over the years, too. At the moment, I'm acutely conscious that I'm barely keeping up with the writing that I need to do around tiddlywiki's documentation, and think I might struggle with a big project like a book. I wonder if it would be possible to fund the writing of the book through Kickstarter? * I don't think we need to replace or close the Google Groups. It takes human effort to transform the transcript of a conversation into useful, reusable content. One way to improve things might be for the regular contributors to the group to adopt an etiquette of writing the answers to questions on tiddlywiki.org directly, and point to those answers from the Google Groups thread. * It's for Matt and others at Osmosoft to say, but I suspect that me picking up the reins with TiddlyWiki will be a welcome opportunity for them to focus whole-heartedly on TiddlyWeb and TiddlySpace. Miles, and everyone else, I really appreciate your perspective, and thank you for your willingness to engage in this dialogue. Best wishes Jeremy On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ben Gillies <[email protected]> wrote: >> I'm not quite sure why you keep going back to TiddlySpace. > > You wrote: > >> I expect we're going to go off and write our own framework for >> single-page applications - because it sure looks a lot easier than >> buliding on Tiddly. That's sort of a shame. > > To which cdent mentioned that non-TiddlyWiki stuff is still possible > within (something like) TiddlySpace: > >> If you're into tiddlers, but not TiddlyWiki, you might have a browse >> around http://tiddlyspace.com/, looking at some of the non-tiddlywiki >> applications that have been created there. Ben Gillies and Jon Robson >> ought to be able to point out some good examples. > > To which I replied with some examples from TiddlySpace (hence why they > all mention TiddlySpace). If the bit you're interested in is > TiddlyWiki as an offline, single page wiki, and not tiddlers in > general, then none of what I've said is likely to have been of much > use to you. That's fine. > >> If you look at a server-side equivalent - something like WikiMedia, or >> Drupal, or WordPress, or perhaps CouchDB, or eXist - the systems have clear, >> and clearly documented architectures - it's pretty clear how to write a new >> theme, write a new module, access various APIs, write an application on top >> of the platform, etc. >> >> That's pretty much missing for TiddlyWiki - and it's a real obstacle to >> anyone who'd actually like to use or extend the platform. > > Yep. I don't think anyone here disagrees with you on that point. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TiddlyWiki" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en. > > -- Jeremy Ruston mailto:[email protected] http://www.tiddlywiki.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
