> Thanks for the pointers, but they sort of reinforce that it seems less
work to build from scratch.....

All of those examples are plain HTML and JavaScript so other than the
reliance on the TiddlySpace server for persisting data they pretty much
_are_ built from scratch.

> First off - we're specifically into SPAs that can run locally - that's
the primary attraction of TiddlyWiki.  There are LOTS of ways to write
hosted applications.

Sure. The point of these apps is that they make use of TiddlySpace, not
that they run from a file:/// URI. Some of them do work offline, but that's
because of localStorage and cache manifests rather than TiddlyWiki.

>> * http://apps.tiddlyspace.com - This is a jumping off point for
>> several apps that Jon Robson (mostly) has written.
>
>
> absolutely no documentation behind any of those

That's true. I mentioned them more as an example of SPAs that have been
written on TiddlySpace without using TiddlyWiki.

>> * http://tiddlyace.tiddlyspace.com - This app provides a simple code
>> editor witht the ability to create new HTML/JavaScript/CSS tiddlers,
>> etc (good for mocking up/developing around new apps). It's based on
>> the ACE project (https://github.com/ajaxorg/ace)
>
>
> Again, no documentation or anything to give a clue what this thing is.

Same with this one.

> - it's virtually impossible to understand what's going on under the hood
without completely deconstructing the raw code - hence providing an
incredibly steep learning curve for even making small modifications, much
less using it as a platform

All of those examples are plain HTML and JavaScript built in much the same
way as any other SPA is today. There really is nothing going on under the
hood with them (indeed that's sort of the point).

> - hence, it's better as an existence proof, and a source of ideas - but
it's easier to redesign from scratch to get to a useful platform

How "from scratch" do you mean here? TiddlySpace provides a backend server
that you can write SPAs on in JavaScript "from scratch". As long as you
follow the RESTful API, you can use whatever (e.g. Backbone) you want.

On the other hand, if by "from scratch" you mean something like Rails or
Django, then yes, depending on what you're building, that may be a better
fit.

Ben

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